Southwest Airlines pay in training

[waveflyer]

Really dude?? That was so last contract. Guessing ya ain't junior are ya?

Don't confuse seniority with longevity

I'm lower middle of the road after 7+ years out west here in Vegas-
But yeah- it's been a little bit since 1st year -
And yeah, thanks bubba- my thoughts exactly- nothing here is worse now than when I got here -(even if we're still sorting out open time issues) you ought to make an adult wage here if you can work just a bit more

 

[Herkdrv]

Don't confuse seniority with longevity

I'm lower middle of the road after 7+ years out west here in Vegas-
But yeah- it's been a little bit since 1st year -
And yeah, thanks bubba- my thoughts exactly- nothing here is worse now than when I got here -(even if we're still sorting out open time issues) you ought to make an adult wage here if you can work just a bit more

Not if the person is stuck on reserve. Really puts the screws on making any extra money.

 

[waveflyer]

That was my situation and I commuted from Orange County to Vegas and had my own business- Just a turn or two day- now I have 13-14 days off on pairings that don't wreck you fatigue wise

Commuting from the east coast to reserve would suck

Which is why reserve is a big contractual issue for us

We can't do that to pilots for years on end

 

[Herkdrv]

What's your point? If he's "not junior," then first and second pay rates are even higher now, and you can still get second year pay in your first year by picking up extra from the company. A new guy ought to be able to make even more now than Wave did his first year, by picking up extra.

Bubba

They only get second year pay after they fly their original line. Very hard to do while on reserve.

 

[waveflyer]

Explain to me how that's different?

Unless you're naive enough to think one could drop a reserve pairing consistently-

It's slightly less- but first year pay is now more

My point is still it's fairly easy to make $70k in year 1
Let's call it $60k then though and be glad it's more decent than others

 

[canyonblue]

Unless you're naive enough to think one could drop a reserve pairing consistently-

Unless you are a first year lineholder, which used to be fairly common, you could give away as much of your line as possible and pick up new trips at second year pay. I believe that was the reason for the change in the contract, some guys weren't quite following the intent. Kind of like dropping your 3 day into ELITT then picking it back up at time and a half, but that's ok.

 

[waveflyer]

Not sure FOs have had that kind of movement to be able to do that anytime recently-
But I hear you

 

[Remington]

What is the Furlough Pay at Delta?

 

[General Lee]

I get the point you're trying to make, and I realize arguing with someone that's posted on a forum 20K times is pointless, but SWA does NOT require PFT. In fact, they pay you over $1200 a week while in training.

What they require is a type rating. A rating which many people get through military, scholarships, and previous employers. This rating is YOURS, and has helped many get jobs flying BBJs and overseas airlines.

PFT was used in the mid-late 90's by regionals who required $10-12K to be trained with nothing to show but an FO slot on a turboprop.

Every SWA pilot I know, except for one, has a college degree, and he has a 2-year. We'll see how picky mighty DAL is about degrees when they need 80 newhires every month.

Most of them will be the bottom 1/3 of your list, sick and tired of certain stagnation. And, quit it with the BS. If you don't have the type and are hired, you have to pay to get one. That is pay for training. DL also pays during training, but no type required to start or pay for. Big difference, and you know it pal....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What is the Furlough Pay at Delta?

You guys actually have a better chance at that than any of the legacies. Each legacy has 5000 retirements in the next decade, vs your 100-200 per year. You may want to have a resume ready....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[say again]

Most of them will be the bottom 1/3 of your list, sick and tired of certain stagnation. And, quit it with the BS. If you don't have the type and are hired, you have to pay to get one. That is pay for training. DL also pays during training, but no type required to start or pay for. Big difference, and you know it pal....


Bye Bye---General Lee

No, it's not! Do you even know the definition of pay for training?!?! Tell me where SWA profits? Not one new hire gave SWA $8000-$10000 for a job. Educate yourself.

 

[redflyer65]

No, it's not! Do you even know the definition of pay for training?!?! Tell me where SWA profits? Not one new hire gave SWA $8000-$10000 for a job. Educate yourself.

He doesn't want to.

He likes to play dumb, or will the alternate is that he is dumb.

If the shoe fits..

 

[General Lee]

No, it's not! Do you even know the definition of pay for training?!?! Tell me where SWA profits? Not one new hire gave SWA $8000-$10000 for a job. Educate yourself.

No, your airline saves on not having to go through a full course from ZERO. They had to do it with the AT 717 guys, but requiring a type for the rest saves money. Does that help with profits? You bet. Are you and Red-liar this dense in real life? It doesn't help your company???? Really? And PFT helped Flight Safety and operations like that back in the 90s, not the "Commuters" back then. It's the same thing, the airlines SAVED money and helped with overall profits. Wake up you two! Admit it, the truth will set you free!



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[StarrBuck]

General.

Seriously... Get help. I come on here every few months and the constant "my dad can beat up your dad" childish bull******************** is almost mind numbing. We all know you hate SWA, but get your ******************** straight if you would like to pontificate. Quite a few of the AT transition pilots came over with no type. Guess what, they didn't get typed in training.. Oh, and guess what again.. they took the EXACT same new hire class as the rest of us with types did. So your assumption that we have been approved to train with a "short course" due to the type is not correct.

PFT.. Come on man.. You can't really be this dense. Maybe you are.. PFT is when you PAY AN AIRLINE FOR TRAINING... Also at the end of the training, you don't get jack ******************** added to your ticket... Maybe you are still bitter about paying some commuter 10K for a SIC "checkout"..That's PFT.. You arguing that having a type rating is PFT, is as retarded as claiming that having a commercial pilots license is PFT..

In the meantime, put down that xbox controller.. Go up stairs and help your mom scrub out the meatloaf pan, and put on a clean t-shirt.. You'll feel better changing out that one with the cheezy poof stains on all over it..

 

[General Lee]

General.

Seriously... Get help. I come on here every few months and the constant "my dad can beat up your dad" childish bull******************** is almost mind numbing. We all know you hate SWA, but get your ******************** straight if you would like to pontificate. Quite a few of the AT transition pilots came over with no type. Guess what, they didn't get typed in training.. Oh, and guess what again.. they took the EXACT same new hire class as the rest of us with types did. So your assumption that we have been approved to train with a "short course" due to the type is not correct.

PFT.. Come on man.. You can't really be this dense. Maybe you are.. PFT is when you PAY AN AIRLINE FOR TRAINING... Also at the end of the training, you don't get jack ******************** added to your ticket... Maybe you are still bitter about paying some commuter 10K for a SIC "checkout"..That's PFT.. You arguing that having a type rating is PFT, is as retarded as claiming that having a commercial pilots license is PFT..

In the meantime, put down that xbox controller.. Go up stairs and help your mom scrub out the meatloaf pan, and put on a clean t-shirt.. You'll feel better changing out that one with the cheezy poof stains on all over it..

Really? Having to pay for a type if you don't have one prior to starting is NOT paying for your on training? The legacies don't do that. Maybe you just don't understand, or maybe the airline can't afford it? Wait, they are training AT pilots for free..... Hmmmm. And you can't see that? The other airlines don't do that. And PFT means the airlines DON'T have to pay for their own training. You are mistaken.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Hey Jenny, how much was that degree you a required to have?

 

[SWA Bubba]

No, your airline saves on not having to go through a full course from ZERO. They had to do it with the AT 717 guys, but requiring a type for the rest saves money. Does that help with profits? You bet. Are you and Red-liar this dense in real life? It doesn't help your company???? Really? And PFT helped Flight Safety and operations like that back in the 90s, not the "Commuters" back then. It's the same thing, the airlines SAVED money and helped with overall profits. Wake up you two! Admit it, the truth will set you free!



Bye Bye----General Lee

Do you really believe this?

Did Delta put you through a "full course from ZERO" to get a type rating in your aircraft (if you even have one)? It's obvious that you have no idea what's involved.

For someone at Southwest training without a type rating (e.g. a FAT guy), appending the type rating to initial training costs the company about.... nothing. There's no extra week of training, no extra sim rides, nada. Just an additional piece of paper filled out after the end-of-training checkride. It's not about saving the company money, now is it?--since it doesn't actually save the company any money.

Wake up you one! Learn it, and the truth will set you free! (well, maybe not in your case, but you'll be marginally less stupid.)

Bubba

 

[808pilot]

Bubba- then why make it a requirement? Not flaming... Truly curious... If it it's all the same the. Why make Simone pay for their own type rating? To prove they want the job bad enough? I guess I just don't get it... What a waste of time and money... For a type rating...

 

[808pilot]

Simone?! Ha! Fat fingers and delicious IPA... 'Someone'

 

[Nindiri]

I think Simone has to get a type rating on the Airbus.