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Last I heard the interview was not too tough. A few tech questions, few TMAAT and such. Short sim eval, I believe in a 737 classic sim. Upgrades depend on experience and who you get to recommend you. Company growing fast. Approx 18 days away every time you go on the road. (could be more could be less) Tough on family life. If you are single and want to see the world go for it. You must be flexible and be able to just roll with it or you will hate life. The new FAA rules may make it a bit better for the SAI guys and gals.
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Not true at all! We had plenty of RJ guys come here and they have been very successful. on the other hand we have had lots of Heavy/ wide body guys in the past few months not make it, when the RJ guys have. I just spoke with our DO the other day and he told me that they are planing on hiring most of the 747-400 FO off the street. because he said all current FO on the 747-2 are aircraft lock for 2 years. so with my experince on the B777 the RJ glass time would be very much welcome here at Southern.
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IMO glass cockpit time will be a lot more worthwhile for future applicants at Southern. A few guys that had no time in a glass cockpit had issues with the transition into the B777. It is only a guess, but they might start splitting up the applicant pools based upon the kind of cockpit you have experience in.
Right now the company is in a state of transition. It is slowly changing from a family run company, to a more corporate style. They continue to bring in new management personnel, and these people are starting to change things. Obviously in today's economy Southern's Management is still very focused on costs, yet they are trying to improve our operational efficiency with some changes that the previous owners declined to spend $$$ on before... But understand that Southern is still a product of the environment it operates in.
Our flying is still ADHOC in nature, and international in scope. So the flying is varied, and the schedules change all the time. To say that you need to be flexible, and able to adapt to rapid changes is an understatement. The company culture still reflects the old owners, but it seems to be slowly changing.
We just picked up a new contract operating into Shanghai again, which should be more stable than some of our previous flying. And everyone is hopeful that the 400's will bring in some more of those kind of contracts. Another major change the new aircraft is bringing on is that we are now training people as Second Officers, so that our FE's will have the ability to transition into the right seat of either the 777 or 400.
So as in the past, Southern is not for everyone, but things seem to be looking up.
Right now the company is in a state of transition. It is slowly changing from a family run company, to a more corporate style. They continue to bring in new management personnel, and these people are starting to change things. Obviously in today's economy Southern's Management is still very focused on costs, yet they are trying to improve our operational efficiency with some changes that the previous owners declined to spend $$$ on before... But understand that Southern is still a product of the environment it operates in.
Our flying is still ADHOC in nature, and international in scope. So the flying is varied, and the schedules change all the time. To say that you need to be flexible, and able to adapt to rapid changes is an understatement. The company culture still reflects the old owners, but it seems to be slowly changing.
We just picked up a new contract operating into Shanghai again, which should be more stable than some of our previous flying. And everyone is hopeful that the 400's will bring in some more of those kind of contracts. Another major change the new aircraft is bringing on is that we are now training people as Second Officers, so that our FE's will have the ability to transition into the right seat of either the 777 or 400.
So as in the past, Southern is not for everyone, but things seem to be looking up.
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October Class was cancelled/postponed from what I heard. For salary info go to:
www.airlinepilotcentral.com
You'll find all the answers to your questions there. You can also see if there are any other opportunities at other companies.
Atlas is now listed under "Charter" as they have a few pax runs.
www.airlinepilotcentral.com
You'll find all the answers to your questions there. You can also see if there are any other opportunities at other companies.
Atlas is now listed under "Charter" as they have a few pax runs.
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Keep in mind that Atlas is not chartering out pax trips. Their only pax trips are in airplanes that are owned by Sonair and they're dedicated only to Houston to Luanda.
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Send it in! we hired over a 100 pilots since Jan and the website never changed. $50,000 ball park first yr., heard that most 400's Fo will be hired off the street since there is a 2 yr plane lock.
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Swordfish,
Sorry I missed the news, but how many 400s expected and what is the delivery timeline? Must be soon if newhires could be placed on the 400s.
Also, what is the delivery timeline for the remaining 777s?
No timeline on the 400's. They like to keep that kind of info to themselves. Basically it depends upon where they are coming from. But there is a lot of pressure from our customers to add them to our fleet, so probably sooner rather than later.
Which means likely in early 2011, if I had to guess.
Which means likely in early 2011, if I had to guess.
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Huh? There's Atlas and there's Southern Air, two entirely different companies, been around this business long????
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I wonder if he was thinking Atlas/Polar.
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Maybe you're right, wasn't trying to slam the guy.
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You can Live anywhere in the USA, with the exception of Hawaii. International base are not allowed. which is lame because it would save the company a lots of money, airlines us around the world.
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I have heard that 2 BCF's 400's at the end of summer, I know they have stopped interviewing at the moment. so as far as how many are in the pool..... not really sure. But there has been talk of hiring FO into the 777 and 400,,,,,,, we will see!
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Southern Air to start replacing 747 Classics with 747-400SFs
By Brendan Sobie
US cargo carrier Southern Air has unveiled plans to start replacing its fleet of 14 747-200/300s with 747-400 converted freighters, with the first of the new type to be placed into service in the middle of this year.
Southern Air CEO Daniel McHugh tells ATI and Flightglobal the carrier has committed to leasing five 747-400SFs, with two to be delivered this year and three next year. He says the carrier is also currently looking at a potential third aircraft for 2011 and fourth aircraft for 2012 as part of the first phase of Southern's new 747-200/300 fleet renewal programme.
He explains "the firm fleet plan" envisions the first 747-400SF being delivered in mid 2011 and the second being delivered in the fourth quarter of 2011. The other three firm 747-400s in the current fleet plan will be delivered throughout 2012.
McHugh says Southern aims to replace most of its 747 Classic freighters over the next three years with 747-400s. The carrier also operates two Boeing 777Fs with four more on order, but these are seen as growth rather than replacement aircraft.
"By the end of 2013 we should primarily be a 747-400 and 777 operator but we'll still have some classics," McHugh says.
The 747-400s will be primarily operated for wet-lease customers. But Southern also expects the new fleet to be used on charters, including military charters. The majority of Southern's business, about 70%, is now generated from its wet-lease or ACMI operation.
This is not the first time Connecticut-based Southern has looked at the 747-400SF. In 2007 the carrier, after being acquired by US private equity firm Oak Hill Capital, said it planned to begin acquiring 747-400SFs. But the carrier in 2008 dropped these plans, deciding to instead focus on acquiring 777Fs. A year ago ATI reported that Southern was looking at opportunities to acquire additional 747-200/300s rather than switch to newer 747-400s.
"We modified our strategy of buying more 747-200s to 747-400s for the cornerstone of our fleet renewal," McHugh explains. "We're now in the process of bringing in 747-400s into the Southern fleet and will start retiring our oldest -200s."
Southern leases both its 777s from OH Aircraft Acquisition, a leasing company in the portfolio of Oak Hill Capital. The 747-400s Southern now intends to lease are owned by other leasing companies but Southern declines to identify the leasing companies.
While the initial five 747-400s are all newly converted aircraft, McHugh envisions taking over the next five years a mix of converted and second hand production freighters for a total fleet of 14 to 15 aircraft. He says Southern is open to operating freighters which have been converted by either 747-400 cargo conversion supplier - Boeing and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI).
"Ideally the incoming -400s will be a combination of converted freighters and production freighters, which we think will become
By Brendan Sobie
US cargo carrier Southern Air has unveiled plans to start replacing its fleet of 14 747-200/300s with 747-400 converted freighters, with the first of the new type to be placed into service in the middle of this year.
Southern Air CEO Daniel McHugh tells ATI and Flightglobal the carrier has committed to leasing five 747-400SFs, with two to be delivered this year and three next year. He says the carrier is also currently looking at a potential third aircraft for 2011 and fourth aircraft for 2012 as part of the first phase of Southern's new 747-200/300 fleet renewal programme.
He explains "the firm fleet plan" envisions the first 747-400SF being delivered in mid 2011 and the second being delivered in the fourth quarter of 2011. The other three firm 747-400s in the current fleet plan will be delivered throughout 2012.
McHugh says Southern aims to replace most of its 747 Classic freighters over the next three years with 747-400s. The carrier also operates two Boeing 777Fs with four more on order, but these are seen as growth rather than replacement aircraft.
"By the end of 2013 we should primarily be a 747-400 and 777 operator but we'll still have some classics," McHugh says.
The 747-400s will be primarily operated for wet-lease customers. But Southern also expects the new fleet to be used on charters, including military charters. The majority of Southern's business, about 70%, is now generated from its wet-lease or ACMI operation.
This is not the first time Connecticut-based Southern has looked at the 747-400SF. In 2007 the carrier, after being acquired by US private equity firm Oak Hill Capital, said it planned to begin acquiring 747-400SFs. But the carrier in 2008 dropped these plans, deciding to instead focus on acquiring 777Fs. A year ago ATI reported that Southern was looking at opportunities to acquire additional 747-200/300s rather than switch to newer 747-400s.
"We modified our strategy of buying more 747-200s to 747-400s for the cornerstone of our fleet renewal," McHugh explains. "We're now in the process of bringing in 747-400s into the Southern fleet and will start retiring our oldest -200s."
Southern leases both its 777s from OH Aircraft Acquisition, a leasing company in the portfolio of Oak Hill Capital. The 747-400s Southern now intends to lease are owned by other leasing companies but Southern declines to identify the leasing companies.
While the initial five 747-400s are all newly converted aircraft, McHugh envisions taking over the next five years a mix of converted and second hand production freighters for a total fleet of 14 to 15 aircraft. He says Southern is open to operating freighters which have been converted by either 747-400 cargo conversion supplier - Boeing and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI).
"Ideally the incoming -400s will be a combination of converted freighters and production freighters, which we think will become
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