Somethings up at ASA

[socony_air]

Wow. Sounds like that Mr. London was a really smart guy. How did that socialism thing work out?

 

[Snapperhead]

Great, you can now add Booby Biplane and Suckony Air to the list of management wanabees, along with D' Angeblow, SuperPooper, and Joe Shmoe Merchant.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Great, you can now add Booby Biplane and Suckony Air to the list of management wanabees, along with D' Angeblow, SuperPooper, and Joe Shmoe Merchant.

No, you can add me to the list of folks who actually bother to read in context.

Bob

 

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Snapperhead,
Does that apply to ALPA committee chairmen and ALPA MEC Chairmen who crossed the Eastern picket line?

Joe - Can I respectfully request that you let that drop? The guy realized the error and is working as a Committee Chair. I am a big believer in redemption and while being a scab can not be condoned, someone who earnestly changed should be appreciated.

Does ALPA make exceptions if it is best for ALPA?

We know the answer. The Continental pilots are the obvious answer, but even more relevant are the repeated bargaining activities endorsed by ALPA National which under cut the pilots who currently perform flying within the brand.

You know the history better than most and can provide readers with good information. Use your knowledge to fix what matters....

 

[socony_air]

Snapperhead, I will now add you to my list of nuckleheads who wouldn't know sarcasm if it bit them in the butt. (How did socialism work out?? I mean really...) Click my screenname & read my other posts. You will quickly see I am far from a management wannabe. I am an ASA yes voter & in no way affiliated with the boobs you lumped me in with.


I do accept retractions, however.

 

[Speedtape]

How about the scumbag that brought us the pay for training for his own personal agenda? Did you ever cost it out? Over the long run, you would have come out better by leaving those pay rates that you compromised alone! Your greed continues as you sue ALPA with hopes that you will get money that once again ASA pilots will have to pay for should you have a snowball's chance of success.

You ought to be run out of the crew lounge every time you show your scowling mug. Good payrates should be inclusive, pay for training is exclusive! Maybe the ASA pilots should file a class action suit against you and your older girl friend for violating fiduciary trust!

 

[Willy21]

Did I hear a toilet flush? I think something just died in there.

 

[ASARJMan]

Snapperhead,
Does that apply to ALPA committee chairmen and ALPA MEC Chairmen who crossed the Eastern picket line? If so, how does ALPA justify it? Does ALPA make exceptions if it is best for ALPA? How is that different than a person who does it for their best interests?

It's called a second chance Joey. Sorta like your older girlfriend gave you when you broke up her marriage huh. Tell me joey, is the sky still falling?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASARJMan]

Lets just hope the ASA Mec takes a step back and drops that greedy proposal so ASA can get some more A/C and upgrade more than 10 people in the next 6 months.

Let's just hope Longhorn bans you like he did with De'Angelo, you little mgt wannabe whiner.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[HoserASA]

Does it apply to ALPA committee chairmen and ALPA MEC Chairmen that crossed the Eastern picket line?

John, just what are you trying to prove by constantly bringing this up? It didn't work on the ALPA message board, and it won't work here, whatever it is you're trying to prove. The man made a mistake in the past. Have you never made a mistake you regret John? Or do you consider yourself perfect?

The man in question is doing a great job in his ASA ALPA position, something which you're certainly not doing in yours as LEC Treasurer. And I even voted for you too, but I regret doing so now.

Hoser

 

[Turkey Shoot]

So if I worked for ASA and ASA were to strike, then I crossed the line, I could be forgiven then too. Certain amount of irony about a scab calling a strike vote.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Don't let some of these guys hear you. There are some here who think ASA is the absolute worst place on earth. It's good to see guys like you come here - you add some perspective to this place.

Biscuit, I can't believe you're posting at 11pm. Better go to bed... you have a long day tommorrow at the GO flipping cards into your hat punctuated by massive ass kissing sessions.

 

[John Pennekamp]

How about the scumbag that brought us the pay for training for his own personal agenda? Did you ever cost it out? Over the long run, you would have come out better by leaving those pay rates that you compromised alone! Your greed continues as you sue ALPA with hopes that you will get money that once again ASA pilots will have to pay for should you have a snowball's chance of success.

You ought to be run out of the crew lounge every time you show your scowling mug. Good payrates should be inclusive, pay for training is exclusive! Maybe the ASA pilots should file a class action suit against you and your older girl friend for violating fiduciary trust!

Yes. JB and his OLDER GIRLFRIEND sold out the entire pilot group in our last negotiations so that they could get PFT reimbursement. And he has the nerve to call MW a scab? Ridiculous.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe - Can I respectfully request that you let that drop? The guy realized the error and is working as a Committee Chair. I am a big believer in redemption and while being a scab can not be condoned, someone who earnestly changed should be appreciated.

You know the history better than most and can provide readers with good information. Use your knowledge to fix what matters....

Fins, there are three reasons I bring this fact up.

1. This individual is a strong proponent of "shutting ASA down". I don't agree with that position, and I will not allow a scab to lecture me about how we need to "shut the place down". You and I disagree about the strike vote, and I will agree to disagree with you. However I will not accept a scab lecturing me about the need to "shut the place down".

2. There is a lot of talk on here about why certain pilot groups wouldn't fly our work during a strike. They talk about how bad it is to "scab". They talk about how you won't ever work anywhere again. That is not correct, as we can prove it here. Not only can you get another job, but you can join ALPA, and you can get a committee chairman position, or even an MEC Chairman position.

3. Many of our "hardliner" chest thumpers are calling Skywest, CHQ, and Mesa pilots "scabs" because they either work for less than us, or they aren't union. All the while, we have an ALPA committee chairman who crossed an active ALPA picket line. CAL had an MEC Chair. who is a scab.

As FOX news says, "fair and balanced"........

 

[JoeMerchant]

So if I worked for ASA and ASA were to strike, then I crossed the line, I could be forgiven then too. Certain amount of irony about a scab calling a strike vote.

ALPA is full of hypocrisy.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes. JB and his OLDER GIRLFRIEND sold out the entire pilot group in our last negotiations so that they could get PFT reimbursement. And he has the nerve to call MW a scab? Ridiculous.

What is the definition of a scab? Does he not fit that definition?

By the way, PFT reimbursement was in the original TA before I got involved. We just improved the reimbursement amount as it was important according to the polling data.... you do understand the importance of the polling data don't you.....

 

[ASACAPT]

Oh, so now you care about polling data. For the last several months all you have been spewing is for us to lower the bar and take the concessionary deal the the company was offering us. Our polling data shows that our pilots do not want to take this deal. But I guess that you use polling data whenever it benefits you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh, so now you care about polling data. For the last several months all you have been spewing is for us to lower the bar and take the concessionary deal the the company was offering us. Our polling data shows that our pilots do not want to take this deal. But I guess that you use polling data whenever it benefits you.

No, I agree that the polling data is causing us to continue with our current proposal. However this isn't 1998 and the rules have changed. Jerry doesn't care about the polling data and he has other options. Some of you refuse to acknowledge this. What worked in 1998 will not work now.

I'm not "spewing" for us to lower the bar. I am acknowledging that the bar has been lowered whether we like it or not. We must take that into consideration.

 

[Bizjet]

What is the definition of a scab? Does he not fit that definition?

By the way, PFT reimbursement was in the original TA before I got involved. We just improved the reimbursement amount as it was important according to the polling data.... you do understand the importance of the polling data don't you.....

You really think that you can sell the PFT ranking high enough in the polling data in '98' to justify you and your older girl friend placing it on the table without MEC approval? You two did that so you could have some play money even when it ranked lower than other issues that would have benefited more pilots. You two have always placed yourselves above everyone else. That is why you won't do your job as LEC Sec/Treas. You think you can blame your lazy a$$ work ethic on the MEC not wanting your involvement so you just refuse to do the job. You two are one screwed up pair. I hope that our pilots never forget what you are about and keep your name recognition tied to what a self serving punk you really are. If you want to do what the MEC wants then do the job the pilots elected you to do and stop all your whining.

YOU TWO SHOULD NEVER BE FORGOTTEN for what and who you are! There are plenty of us who will make sure they don't forget. Are you going to strike if the MEC calls for one? I think I remember several times you have said that you will not walk off your job for this MEC. I assume you will not call yourself a scab if you do but will say the MEC didn't want you to strike.

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. I assume your RJDC guys think you are a freedom fighter. Most will know the truth.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Feel better Biz? How are things going on the front? How is the ALPA battle plan? What's next when Jerry starts transferring assets? Let me guess, another sticker? Some more informational picketing? How about another pep talk from DW about how we need to "hold the line" or is it "draw a line in the sand"?

 

[Bizjet]

Feel better Biz? How are things going on the front? How is the ALPA battle plan? What's next when Jerry starts transferring assets? Let me guess, another sticker? Some more informational picketing? How about another pep talk from DW about how we need to "hold the line" or is it "draw a line in the sand"?

Are you JoeMerchant going to SCAB if we strike? Your previous statements were that you would not strike in support of this MEC if a strike is called for. Will both you and your much older girl friend make it a family affair? Still a management sell out aren't you Joey? I know it is Duane Woerth's fault or ALPA's or the MEC's just not yours if you elect to SCAB. You are pathetic.

 

[rtmcfi]

Are you JoeMerchant going to SCAB if we strike? Your previous statements were that you would not strike in support of this MEC if a strike is called for. Will both you and your much older girl friend make it a family affair? Still a management sell out aren't you Joey? I know it is Duane Woerth's fault or ALPA's or the MEC's just not yours if you elect to SCAB. You are pathetic.

Lay off the older girlfriend stuff. No one cares if he has a girlfriend, or her age. It has no bearing whatsoever in this discussion. Your harping on irrelevant matters draws attention away from the other parts of your post. It makes you appear petty. The other things you say merit attention. Don't detract from them........

(disclaimer.. My girlfriend is younger than me, but well within the 1/2 your age plus seven rule. Unfortunatly, she is not as hot as the Generals wife...)

 

[Bizjet]

(disclaimer.. My girlfriend is younger than me, but well within the 1/2 your age plus seven rule. Unfortunatly, she is not as hot as the Generals wife...)

Your disclaimer won't work for him. Maybe it could be amended to 1/2 his age + 35 rule?:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Tim47SIP]

Come on!

Your disclaimer won't work for him. Maybe it could be amended to 1/2 his age + 35 rule?:laugh: :laugh:

Look, give it a break. You are showing your true colors.

 

[Bizjet]

Your disclaimer won't work for him. Maybe it could be amended to 1/2 his age + 35 rule?:laugh: :laugh:

Look, give it a break. You are showing your true colors.

And so are you.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

As FOX news says, "fair and balanced"........

And you're just about as "fair and balanced" as that "reputable" news organization. Jeez.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you JoeMerchant going to SCAB if we strike? Your previous statements were that you would not strike in support of this MEC if a strike is called for. Will both you and your much older friend make it a family affair? Still a management sell out aren't you Joey? I know it is Duane Woerth's fault or ALPA's or the MEC's just not yours if you elect to SCAB. You are pathetic.

1. There won't be a strike. The NMB isn't going to release us, and ALPA national isn't going to push for a release due to the harm it would inflict on Delta. Neither Herndon nor DC want to kill Delta.

2. I didn't say I wouldn't strike, I said I don't support this MEC - there is a difference. This MEC is underestimating SKYW managements leverage and overestimating the strength of ALPA.

3. It is the fault of ALPA (and APA) to deal with the new reality of fee-for-departure portfolios competing for flying within a brand.

4. It appears that some of you ALPAnistas prefer using the term scab for people you disagree with rather than for people who actually crossed an ALPA picket line.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And you're just about as "fair and balanced" as that "reputable" news organization. Jeez.

I guess your more of a CNN fan... enough said......

 

[jayme]

I guess your more of a CNN fan... enough said......

Hmmm... a republican union officer. Sounds like you might have a conflict of interest.

 

[ASARJMan]

I guess your more of a CNN fan... enough said......

More balanced than FOX News for sure, especially those clowns Hannitty, and O'Riely! And FOX goes on to promote that anerexic bimbo Coulter!

VOTED IN FAVOR!