Something Big at DELTA

[skywav8r]

Allright acl.....whats this about the board looking to approve more hiring?? What are the newbies gonna fly? We don't have that much left in the desert and were parking all the -30's and 40's in the spring. Were not getting that many md-90's quick enough. Our md-88's are so "reliable" that we have to cut flying to keep some spares around. I can't remember when I flew a full day with a working APU. The Airbii are a nightmare for the ATL mechanics.....they are not all trained on them and they don't have enough spare parts in town yet. ATL mechanics tools disappear when in DTW or MSP. Flights are cancelling due to lack of FA's....this may be fixed once the union vote is done though. I hope we hire more but we still have to figure out the flow issue. I say let all the Compass guys on. I believe the flow helped save mainline furloughs. We benefited so now we need to help out all those who were furloughed from other airlines who are now at Compass. Heck, according to the web the current hiring has been put on hold. Some poor guy checked his email and saw he had been invited to interview. Said guy calls and gets the shaft with no real explanation. I do like the $500 million best quarter ever news.....although I expect some kind of one time charge to make it into a loss!! (joke) Bring on the newbies!!!

 

[Superpilot92]

Allright acl.....whats this about the board looking to approve more hiring?? What are the newbies gonna fly? We don't have that much left in the desert and were parking all the -30's and 40's in the spring. Were not getting that many md-90's quick enough. Our md-88's are so "reliable" that we have to cut flying to keep some spares around. I can't remember when I flew a full day with a working APU. The Airbii are a nightmare for the ATL mechanics.....they are not all trained on them and they don't have enough spare parts in town yet. ATL mechanics tools disappear when in DTW or MSP. Flights are cancelling due to lack of FA's....this may be fixed once the union vote is done though. I hope we hire more but we still have to figure out the flow issue. I say let all the Compass guys on. I believe the flow helped save mainline furloughs. We benefited so now we need to help out all those who were furloughed from other airlines who are now at Compass. Heck, according to the web the current hiring has been put on hold. Some poor guy checked his email and saw he had been invited to interview. Said guy calls and gets the shaft with no real explanation. I do like the $500 million best quarter ever news.....although I expect some kind of one time charge to make it into a loss!! (joke) Bring on the newbies!!!

Newbs going to M88,320 and small chance of DC9s, bases likely available DTW, MEM, MSP, NYC, and possibly ATL.

Hiring stopped because the first couple classes are accounted for and HR isnt sure what will happen with the flow. I have a friend that was hired recently that was told his class would be in early Sept or Oct DEPENDING on what happens with the flow. Once they get guidance on it they will restart the hiring machine. it likely wont stop for a long time because they want a large pool set up due to the large number of old guys flying past 60 leaves alot of uncertainty.

All 747's out next year, more 757/767s coming out of desert, 20 more Md-90s coming, a couple more 737s. Theres going to be a significant need for hiring going forward.

We are 2 1/2 years into the age 60 rule change. the company and the union suspect that the avg will be 62 when it comes to retirements. This means that we should continue you to see a constant rate of retirements going forward. So far the retirements are continuing even post PERPS.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I do not want to get to far ahead of ourselves, but there are things that are not known yet.

If we do not double dip, DAL will be hiring many pilots and for many years to come.

SKW, FWIW, the jets in the desert if flown to max capacity will equate to a min of 800 bodies, add the max utilization of the international fleet and you can hire a lot without one more jet.

Also for most of the Republic pilots, it makes no sense for them to fly past age 62. DAL knows this and could possibly see a lot of retirements this next year. Not having the bodies in the right places could mean canceling flights.

 

[Crizz]

Is the 7ER rumor for newhires true? If so, what base is likely?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You can put the ER rumor to rest.....

It's not happening, just like some clowns on here got everybodies hopes up that newhires were going to the 777 last time we hired.

 

[Superpilot92]

You can put the ER rumor to rest.....

It's not happening, just like some clowns on here got everybodies hopes up that newhires were going to the 777 last time we hired.

I wouldn't say it's not possible, ER went all the way to the bottom of he list on the last AE. In fact j think a couple slots went unfilled. It's very possible that it go to a few newhires. We'll see

 

[Superpilot92]

I do not want to get to far ahead of ourselves, but there are things that are not known yet.

If we do not double dip, DAL will be hiring many pilots and for many years to come.

SKW, FWIW, the jets in the desert if flown to max capacity will equate to a min of 800 bodies, add the max utilization of the international fleet and you can hire a lot without one more jet.

Also for most of the Republic pilots, it makes no sense for them to fly past age 62. DAL knows this and could possibly see a lot of retirements this next year. Not having the bodies in the right places could mean canceling flights.

I agree, however I wouldn't just say the republic guys. Any NWA guy with a frozen pension could go at just about anypoint whether it be a red or green book guy. Alot of those guys were military also so a large chunk of them have both a frozen pension and a military retirement. I wouldn't want to be hr right now because its going to be very tuff to gauge the hiring needs. Hense the rumor of wanting a large hiring pool to draw from.

 

[GogglesPisano]

To put things in perspective, the "ER" of today does not mean the "ER" of five years ago -- when it was the best flying in the system. If you're senior in the ER, then not much as changed. You're still flying the 767 to choice spots in Europe, SA and ME. If you're junior in the ER, you're basically a domestic 757 pilot flying 4 legs a day with 40-minute concourse changes in ATL, or if you're lucky, transcons.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It still beats flying a jet that does not cool down. It may not be what it was, but the 767ER flying is still better than some fleets.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Is the 7ER rumor for newhires true? If so, what base is likely?

MSP has a bunch of openings from the last AE on the ER. That said, there will be a AE in Sept that will probably fill a lot of those slots.

 

[jonjuan]

It still beats flying a jet that does not cool down. It may not be what it was, but the 767ER flying is still better than some fleets.

The md cools down- it just has to be operated by people who care enough to make it happen. The pax's comfort has to be thought of continuously. If service and customer comfort were closely behind safety, there wouldn't be this conversation. It only takes a few...

 

[michael707767]

The md cools down- it just has to be operated by people who care enough to make it happen. The pax's comfort has to be thought of continuously. If service and customer comfort were closely behind safety, there wouldn't be this conversation. It only takes a few...

Just what I was thinking. A good crew can keep it cool, fly it smoothly, do a flap 28 landing without going off the end of the runway, and taxi it without brake chatter.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

I wouldn't say it's not possible, ER went all the way to the bottom of he list on the last AE. In fact j think a couple slots went unfilled. It's very possible that it go to a few newhires. We'll see

I know a few 2007 hires that had a bid for the NYC 7ER and didn't get it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

NYC will go more senior, but there will come a time when they will be able to get hold it again. That said, I know 2007 hires that bid and got it, but they may be below the rsv/lineholder threshold.

 

[Superpilot92]

I know a few 2007 hires that had a bid for the NYC 7ER and didn't get it.

Yeah but they could have held MSP 7ER which was my point. The 7ER went to the bottom of the list on the latest AE, and spots unfilled. I would have had more people below me on the 7ER in MSP than i do on the 320 which was surprising.