Someone at UPS has crossed the line....I'm outta here!

[Flybwoy]

What are you going to do to him??? Nothing!!! Remember KARMA is a bitch.

I didn't have to do anything to him. He exposed himself with his selfish comments. For a newbie at UPS he sure thought he knew it all. If someone is calling Lil J and threating him, shame on them! Now maybe Lil J will exercise more judgement when spouting off with stupid statements. Oh well I'm not here to preach, just to critize!!

 

[V-STALL]

Hey Mega-

Quit your wining and shut yer friggin pie hole! :nuts: :laugh:


Just joking!

 

[rtmcfi]

Mega-
If you can't stand the heat....
Get back into the kitchen!

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Mega,

Dont go anywhere... Your one of the reasons I enjoy reading this forum...
Dont let some coward run you off.

Today, I had some guy private mail me about this kind of harrassment over on airlinepilotcentral.com. I'll admit, I was majorly pissed at what he said to me as none of his accusations applied to me. This guy was accusing me of all kinds of stuff regarding "new hires" all which were not true... I trained many of these guys (and girls) in the training center and know some of them on a personal basis.

Needless to say, I got a second private e-mail from the same guy asking me to please forgive him, because he screwed up and sent the wrong person (me) the e-mail, because he thought I was someone else... Hello!!!

If someone is making threats, that is total BS, I think you should call Professional Standards at the Union and report any incident that occures ASAP.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Awwww, shucks guys.....thanks for the support.

\m/

 

[FN FAL]

However, the cops will probably tell you, and I'll suggest, never attack someone personally, never call them names on this board or any other.

, and where's my cops, ding dong?

 

[Phaedrus]

Could you maybe go after some of these Airtran clowns like Ty Webb and Bosley?

Lame Lizard: That's possibly the lamest post you've yet made on this forum, alter-egos and voluminous asininity aside. BWWWAAAAHHH, please make those AirTran guys quit picking on me!
Grow a pair, then go buy a sack to put 'em in.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Mega,

Don't leave this place on my account. I do caution people to keep thier IDs private though. I posted a few bits of info and evidently Browntail has nothing better to do then search through hundreds of posts.

Flyboy/Browntail/Rhoid
Get a freakin life. The fact is more IPAers agree with my opinion than yours. You can hurl all the juvenile personal insults you want but the fact remains this TA will pass. How can you call me selfish for voting yes rather than holding out for more? Given the state of the profession I think this is a good, albeit not great, deal. Seems to me your greed has blinded you to the current state of being a professional commercial pilot. Stop the hate and quit bieng a dikc.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I truly don't care if anyone knows who capt. megadeth is. When someone asks me, I tell them. I don't feel that I need to be incognito. I would just hope that noone would call me and threaten me hence taking advantage of the fact that they figure out who I am. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back and I think it's way out of line.

 

[FN FAL]

I truly don't care if anyone knows who capt. megadeth is. When someone asks me, I tell them. I would just hope that noone would call me and threaten me hence taking advantage of the fact that they figure out who I am. This was just the straw that broke the camel's back and I think it's way out of line.

Did you check out the Rico Act dot com stuff I posted earlier? If organized people are using phone lines to make extortion threats, the person who has been damaged has a right to file a federal civil suit under the RICO Act if they can prove their claim.

Jeff Grell's RICO ACT DOT COM; "Do I have a RICO claim?"

http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/index.asp

 

[capt. megadeth]

Did you check out the Rico Act dot com stuff I posted earlier? If organized people are using phone lines to make extortion threats, the person who has been damaged has a right to file a federal civil suit under the RICO Act if they can prove their claim.

Uh....no. Thanks for the info but this didn't happen to me. I am also not into suing people unless the doc cuts off the wrong leg or something. If this did happen to me, I'd rather have the dude not be a pus and tell me his name so I can meet him in a dark alley and kick the $hit out of him.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Did you check out the Rico Act dot com stuff I posted earlier? If organized people are using phone lines to make extortion threats, the person who has been damaged has a right to file a federal civil suit under the RICO Act if they can prove their claim.

Hear that browntail!!?? My attorney and I are coming after your 60k bonus!!

 

[FN FAL]

Uh....no. Thanks for the info but this didn't happen to me. I am also not into suing people unless the doc cuts off the wrong leg or something. If this did happen to me, I'd rather have the dude not be a pus and tell me his name so I can meet him in a dark alley and kick the $hit out of him.

Well, then he or she would have the "last word", when they sued you.

 

[Flybwoy]

Mega,

Don't leave this place on my account. I do caution people to keep thier IDs private though. I posted a few bits of info and evidently Browntail has nothing better to do then search through hundreds of posts.

Flyboy/Browntail/Rhoid
Get a freakin life. The fact is more IPAers agree with my opinion than yours. You can hurl all the juvenile personal insults you want but the fact remains this TA will pass. How can you call me selfish for voting yes rather than holding out for more? Given the state of the profession I think this is a good, albeit not great, deal. Seems to me your greed has blinded you to the current state of being a professional commercial pilot. Stop the and quit bieng a dikc.

Hey Lil J. Whine whine whine.
Here is a little TA education posted on the B&G
Examples of concessionary

-Pay: A 9% pay raise at the amendable date while the Company has doubled
it's net profits over the last decade. 9% is too low!

-Signing bonus versus full retro: Signing bonus fair for some, unfair to
others, full retro fair to all.

-ANC domicile: IPA having no input and not getting nothing for it.

-X domicile RSV utilization.

-No premium percentage (125%) for bidline credit over guarantee.

-Summer Vacation allotments from 10% to 8%.

-Expanded window to restore credit lost due to conflicts.

-Ability to sit hot in more than 1 gateway.

-3 hour pay penalty for CMLing on Monday instead of Sunday.

-Allowing for withholding of flying for IOE for a new fleet type for up to 1
year instead of displacing.

-Allowing the Company to change RSV times with a 1 bid period notice.

-Excessive extended DH up to 19 hours.

-Double crewing consisting of 1 Capt and 3 FOs.

-IROs for aircraft over 300,000 lbs.

-Open time ban as a contract violation.

-FAT calls leading to disciplinary action at the Company discretion.

-New "C" RSV type that covers the entire night time sort.

-A plan still at 1%

-Scope language with little enforcement possibilities. (That is if anyone
really understands what the scope language means.)

-J/S Matrix versus expanded CML TX (internationally.)

-Not resolving the 2 hostages by
making them whole BEFORE agreeing to any T/A.

-Language that includes "at the Company discretion."

-You could drive a sleeper team truck through the holes within this T/A.

There are others items too, but now you know why I see this T/A as
"concessionary." With many of those items I listed we could of made a stand
and said "NO" we will not give on this. In fact, I can not see in any area
where we did just that. The question is, did we receive enough in gains to
allow for such give-backs. The answer from most is no, and yet some are
still going to vote YES. It is beyond me why.

Lack of Unity breeds individualism and that hampers the ability to achieve our collective goals. We need to get back to the membership making decisions that are in the best interest of the group as a whole and not for what's just good for them individually. That is what Unity is all about and that means we may need to sacrifice what's good for me. Mutual respect for each other and a team concept will bring Unity and it is all based on emotion.

You get it you selfish ! You'll soon be based in ANC anyway you shmuck!!!

 

[ivauir]

Flybwoy,
You ruined what seemed like a pretty good argument with the name calling and emotion at the end. You may be entirly correct (I suspect you are), but even a new hire is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure your intent is only to educate, but if this is what the conversation has been going like on the UPS threads (and workplace) I don't blame the "youngsters" for sticking to their guns. Unity starts at the top.

I have no dog in this fight and am utterly unfamiliar with the details, I'm just here to support Capt Megadeath and her right to air her opinions without fear or intimidation.

 

[AC560]

Did you check out the Rico Act dot com stuff I posted earlier? If organized people are using phone lines to make extortion threats, the person who has been damaged has a right to file a federal civil suit under the RICO Act if they can prove their claim.

If the person making the calls is involved in union work and the Fed's find out about it they will initiate their own investigation. The person making the calls will more then likely end up doing 5yrs in Federal prison (not club fed but the real deal).

We had a somewhat similiar instance at a place where I worked though it involved truckers and the Teamsters. Person in question wasn't really trying to threaten people and would have never carried out the actions. He lost his job (did just short of 3yrs) and is now a convicted felon.

My advice to whomever is making the calls would be to to stop because you are lining yourself up for some pretty serious repercussions.

 

[FN FAL]

If the person making the calls is involved in union work and the Fed's find out about it they will initiate their own investigation. The person making the calls will more then likely end up doing 5yrs in Federal prison (not club fed but the real deal).

We had a somewhat similiar instance at a place where I worked though it involved truckers and the Teamsters. Person in question wasn't really trying to threaten people and would have never carried out the actions. He lost his job (did just short of 3yrs) and is now a convicted felon.

My advice to whomever is making the calls would be to to stop because you are lining yourself up for some pretty serious repercussions.

Well, there ya go...the RICO criminal conviction would make getting civil remedies as easy as cake.

 

[AC560]

Well, there ya go...the RICO criminal conviction would make getting civil remedies as easy as cake.

The handful of people (fellow Teamsters) who testified against him are viewed as worse then scabs by the people there. Getting your car keyed (or worse) everyday for 30yrs isn't something to look forward to every morning when you wake up.

I would be pretty careful as well as to what I do to my union brothers inspite of what they might do to me. Stuff like this just ruins careers because people don't play out the consequences of their actions.

 

[Metro752]

If the person making the calls is involved in union work and the Fed's find out about it they will initiate their own investigation. The person making the calls will more then likely end up doing 5yrs in Federal prison (not club fed but the real deal).

We had a somewhat similiar instance at a place where I worked though it involved truckers and the Teamsters. Person in question wasn't really trying to threaten people and would have never carried out the actions. He lost his job (did just short of 3yrs) and is now a convicted felon.

My advice to whomever is making the calls would be to to stop because you are lining yourself up for some pretty serious repercussions.

Good post So this is settled since this is flightinfo and the Feds are watching. Oh noes. I wonder how many numbnuts they've captured using Flightinfo.........

BTW, I think FN was just screwin around with the grammar, he really meant he doesn't care what the cops think, reference an actual law, not what the cops said. Not a bad rule of thumb to go by..........FN fire away if I am mistaken.

The Flightinfo grammar nazi is TonyC but I don't think he posts here much.

 

[capt. megadeth]

The answer from most is no, and yet some are
still going to vote YES. It is beyond me why.

Lack of Unity breeds individualism and that hampers the ability to achieve our collective goals. We need to get back to the membership making decisions that are in the best interest of the group as a whole and not for what's just good for them individually. That is what Unity is all about and that means we may need to sacrifice what's good for me. Mutual respect for each other and a team concept will bring Unity and it is all based on emotion.

You get it you selfish ! You'll soon be based in ANC anyway you shmuck!!!

1. First off fly, you are not going to get potential YES voters to vote no by calling them names, selfish, etc.

2. You expect people to have an open mind and not think of only themselves, yet you fail to open your own mind it seems. What I wish you would try to understand is that a lot of us "new guys" have just come from places that were much worse than UPS. If you have been here a long time, you have a different perspective than someone that just started here. For example, I have worked at a few shady operators and believe me, coming from where I came from, it just AIN'T THAT BAD here. I have also worked in a different career field and when I compare the two, there really isn't any comparison. If you compare the benefits, pay, etc. there just isn't any comparison. I would shoot myself in the head if I had to go do my other job full time for the rest of my life.

3. It's very hard for me to look at the state of the industry and not compare this TA to other professions and airlines. When I do, I come to the conclusion that it just ain't that bad. Are there things in it that are not perfect? Sure.....but nothing says that if we vote it down, the things we don't like will change. Can you guarantee that?

4. I agree with what you said about unity.

 

[lifeguard]

Flybwoy,
You ruined what seemed like a pretty good argument with the name calling and emotion at the end. You may be entirly correct (I suspect you are), but even a new hire is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure your intent is only to educate, but if this is what the conversation has been going like on the UPS threads (and workplace) I don't blame the "youngsters" for sticking to their guns. Unity starts at the top.

I have no dog in this fight and am utterly unfamiliar with the details, I'm just here to support Capt Megadeath and her right to air her opinions without fear or intimidation.

AMEN.

 

[FN FAL]

BTW, I think FN was just screwin around with the grammar, he really meant he doesn't care what the cops think, reference an actual law, not what the cops said. Not a bad rule of thumb to go by..........FN fire away if I am mistaken.
.

Yea, I got no problem with that poster...but if you're going to tell me that cop said don't call a screen name a "so-and-so" on the internet, it's "game on" time. I thought "ding dong" was pretty innocuous of name to call him, especially since I don't know the guy or have anything against him. Now, as far as calling you a name 752, you've almost worked your way up to frowzy ne'er do well, so at least you've got that going for you. :laugh:

 

[Flybwoy]

Flybwoy,
You ruined what seemed like a pretty good argument with the name calling and emotion at the end. You may be entirly correct (I suspect you are), but even a new hire is entitled to his opinion. I'm sure your intent is only to educate, but if this is what the conversation has been going like on the UPS threads (and workplace) I don't blame the "youngsters" for sticking to their guns. Unity starts at the top.

I have no dog in this fight and am utterly unfamiliar with the details, I'm just here to support Capt Megadeath and her right to air her opinions without fear or intimidation.

OK maybe you are right! To much emotion in there? Well, I am an emotional kinda of person when it comes to foolishness being spouted off as fact or logic!

 

[Flybwoy]

1. First off fly, you are not going to get potential YES voters to vote no by calling them names, selfish, etc.

2. You expect people to have an open mind and not think of only themselves, yet you fail to open your own mind it seems. What I wish you would try to understand is that a lot of us "new guys" have just come from places that were much worse than UPS. If you have been here a long time, you have a different perspective than someone that just started here. For example, I have worked at a few shady operators and believe me, coming from where I came from, it just AIN'T THAT BAD here. I have also worked in a different career field and when I compare the two, there really isn't any comparison. If you compare the benefits, pay, etc. there just isn't any comparison. I would shoot myself in the head if I had to go do my other job full time for the rest of my life.


3. It's very hard for me to look at the state of the industry and not compare this TA to other professions and airlines. When I do, I come to the conclusion that it just ain't that bad. Are there things in it that are not perfect? Sure.....but nothing says that if we vote it down, the things we don't like will change. Can you guarantee that?

4. I agree with what you said about unity.

OK! I'll take that! However, I am not trying to gain potential yes voters. I am just simply pointing out ridiculous and illogical statements. Lil J reasoning is flawed and his explanation of it exibited arrogance to me unbecoming a new hire on property.
I haven't been at UPS that long myslef but I don't claim to know if this T/A is all great or all bad. I do know that there is a lot of bad in it and I am not going to display my arrogance and exclaim that I am going to vote for it just because it it GOOD FOR ME! That's the reason for my anger with this Lil J. Read his original post. He comes across as a ungrateful selfish individual just based on his statements. That is the reason for my harsh words. No one has to agree with me but my harsh words say how i feel. I am passionate person. I can say that I am voting no not because this TA is a bad deal for me but because its a bad deal for us all. As a new hire here, if i voted for this T/A it would selfishly put me ahead a bit, but that is not who I am as a person.

 

[720persecond]

OK! I'll take that! However, I am not trying to gain potential yes voters. I am just simply pointing out ridiculous and illogical statements. Lil J reasoning is flawed and his explanation of it exibited arrogance to me unbecoming a new hire on property.
I haven't been at UPS that long myslef but I don't claim to know if this T/A is all great or all bad. I do know that there is a lot of bad in it and I am not going to display my arrogance and exclaim that I am going to vote for it just because it it GOOD FOR ME! That's the reason for my anger with this Lil J. Read his original post. He comes across as a ungrateful selfish individual just based on his statements. That is the reason for my harsh words. No one has to agree with me but my harsh words say how i feel. I am passionate person. I can say that I am voting no not because this TA is a bad deal for me but because its a bad deal for us all. As a new hire here, if i voted for this T/A it would selfishly put me ahead a bit, but that is not who I am as a person.

Piloting is the best part-time job in the world.

 

[PCD]

You should stay.

Don't let some coward ruin your right to express your valued opinion. You have alot of people on this site that enjoy chatting with you and reading your comments. Don't leave because of that. Get your Union involved and the webmaster of this site to help track down the jerk who did this and then possibly get the authorities involved. The problem with computers is everyone has the balls to say something online they would never say to your face. Remember, if he tracked you down, then you should be able to do the same with some help.

 

[Below Mins]

Examples of concessionary

The TA is not a home run, but it's hardly concessionary. Ask the fellas at DAL, UAL, NWA, etc about concessionary contracts.

- like it or not, we will be the highest paid based on annual guarantee. Look at the charts.

- signing bonus concept sucks, but full retro would not swing my vote one way or the other either

- ANC domicile will open whether this TA passes or fails

- C and cross domicile reserve suck, but one less day of work, restrictions on 24/7 break on arrival, and intl rest requirements in domicile apply to reserves too (i.e. you could get 48 hrs off on company time in domicile after 120 hrs TAFB, etc), and reserves cannot be turned out unless they are in their normal on call period

- we could've had the 125% premium on high time lines already via the midterm agreement that we voted down in 2002.

- 3 hr pay penalty is our own fault. What's the difference between a Sun comm DH and operating a trip from SDF on Sun? Either way, you're still on the clock.

- extended DH's are not cool, but you will get 20 hrs rest before first live leg.

- double crewing? Seems industry standard to me.

- Open time ban language is what OUR attorney's recommend. Same with Intl Scope. I don't tell them how to try a case and they don't tell me how to fly an aircraft.

- A Plan has SS offset removed, B Plan increased to 12% of W-2

- SIK bank increase to 148 hrs. Ask anyone who has gone out on medical in Jan if they think this is a bad deal.

- 100% tickets domestically

- EDW lines reduced scheduled duty day, limited to 4 segments (to include ground shuttles), 10 night turns MAX per PP

- Peak scheduling rules reduced to 14 zulu days before Christmas versus the entire PP the way it is now

- Longer rest, reducible and non-reducible, both domestically and internationally

I would not call the above items concessionary. You said there are more bad things you could list. I agree. But there are more good things I could list too. All I want is an honest debate. Take a look at the good and bad... and then make your decision.

I'm still undecided. There are many things that can happen between now and 8/31 that could push my vote either way.