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General Lee said:
How do you know that? You may be right about the 777, but I can hold Captain now, and I am almost done with my 9 month hold (switching from DOM to INTL on the 767 does that). Are you saying we won't have any more bids this Spring? Will a merger be done by then? Are you sure? When are you getting kicked off of your AT7?


Bye Bye--General Lee
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So you can hold Captain? On the Maddog I presume. How do you think the merger will affect the Maddog flying? Or 75/76 domestic flying for that matter? I'd wager a bit of overlap exists on markets like ATL-DTW, MSP-ATL, and cities in between. And don't forget about all of those DC-9s. NWA management insists they're flying until 2012. Isn't their operating cost SIGNIFICANTLY lower than a Maddog, especially since they're owned? Sounds to me like a lot of Maddogs getting parked and their routes being replaced by DC-9s and large RJs. Not so good for your upgrade, general. But hey, gear bitch isn't that bad. At least you don't have to make any decisions or take responsibility for anything.
 
Disagree

JohnQ said:
I think that a MERGER between DAL and NWA would be a good thing.

IF DAL and NWA merge, I think it reasonable to conclude that our two MECs can see the fiasco at AAA/AWA and avoid going to arbitration. I think that we could be a formidable outfit with a large pilot group that gets along and values each other's qualifications and skills.
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As far as the employees go...there is no such thing as a "good" merger. It will not benefit the employees. As far as the two MECs avoiding arbitration....maybe, but I have no doubt it will be far more uglier than you would think. I challenge you to name one airline merger that either wasn't ugly or benefited the employees.
 
I agree

ExAF said:
As far as the employees go...there is no such thing as a "good" merger. It will not benefit the employees. I challenge you to name one airline merger that either wasn't ugly or benefited the employees.
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Finally, some more rational thinking.
 
John Pennekamp said:
So you can hold Captain? On the Maddog I presume. How do you think the merger will affect the Maddog flying? Or 75/76 domestic flying for that matter? I'd wager a bit of overlap exists on markets like ATL-DTW, MSP-ATL, and cities in between. And don't forget about all of those DC-9s. NWA management insists they're flying until 2012. Isn't their operating cost SIGNIFICANTLY lower than a Maddog, especially since they're owned? Sounds to me like a lot of Maddogs getting parked and their routes being replaced by DC-9s and large RJs. Not so good for your upgrade, general. But hey, gear bitch isn't that bad. At least you don't have to make any decisions or take responsibility for anything.
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I am very close to 737 Captain, and we get 10 737-700s this year, starting in June. Those particular planes are the lowest paying on our payscale currently, because we lumped them in with the 737-300 when we had them. So, the 73N will not be as senior thanks to the bottom 15% of the trips will be on that plane. Also, with more 777s coming, a 73N bid would be attainable anyway--even the 738. Also, the MD90s are still an option for Delta, maybe even replacing some of those DC9s at NWA if a merger happened.

Remember this, Lee Moak has the ability to give a thumbs down to this merger, and even Oberstar is currently giving his disapproval. If Lee Moak wants to deal, he will deal with us in mind. That means few cuts, and pay raises, along with job protections. We have a lot of things in our contract that can make a potential deal unattainable---unless we get some major assurances. You on the otherhand, are ruled by a guy in St George who doesn't care about you whatsoever.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
ExAF said:
As far as the employees go...there is no such thing as a "good" merger. It will not benefit the employees. As far as the two MECs avoiding arbitration....maybe, but I have no doubt it will be far more uglier than you would think. I challenge you to name one airline merger that either wasn't ugly or benefited the employees.
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Or as they say "The only fair merger is when everybody is pissed off".
 
ExAF said:
As far as the employees go...there is no such thing as a "good" merger. It will not benefit the employees. As far as the two MECs avoiding arbitration....maybe, but I have no doubt it will be far more uglier than you would think. I challenge you to name one airline merger that either wasn't ugly or benefited the employees.
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USAir was a good merger route wise and hub wise. It fit like a glove. Now when it comes to employee morale and seniority integration, that is another story...


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Recap:

Did not!

Did TOO!

Oh, huh!

Shut up!

Make me!

I know you are, but what am I?

Make me!

You suck!

No, YOU suck!

I'm suing! <-- Joe Merchant

Grow up!

Can't make me!
 
General Lee said:
You on the otherhand, are ruled by a guy in St George who doesn't care about you whatsoever.

Bye Bye--General Lee
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You've got that part right at least.

As for hanging your hopes on DALPA, tell us, how many times have they pounded their chests, then conceded at the last minute? I'll help you... every time they faced a decision in the last 7 years!

Mark my words, DALPA will NOT block this merger. They know their members WILL NEVER strike.
 
Will the fact that Delta has 63% more widebodies be a player in seniority integration. Looks like NWA has 63 and DAL has 109 widebodies. I would think that would be in the Delta pilots favor. Will be very interesting.
 
John Pennekamp said:
Time for a reality check...

Um, you have the seniority? How long before you upgrade, General? Don'cha think this little merger might affect that upgrade time just a little? And stop saying it's YOUR 777. It's your captain's. You won't be a 777 captain for a long, long time.
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The General will be a 777 captain a lot sooner than you will, John. (him-one day, you-never)

Why are you on the 'Majors' board anyway, wannabee?

Now go turn on the prop synch.
 
800Dog said:
Will the fact that Delta has 63% more widebodies be a player in seniority integration. Looks like NWA has 63 and DAL has 109 widebodies. I would think that would be in the Delta pilots favor. Will be very interesting.
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DAL has more wide bodied aircraft, but DAL also has more pilots. I'm not too sure if the percentage of pilots flying in wide bodied aircraft in each airline isn't about equal or at least in the ball park.

Quite a bit to consider and the list certainly wont be decided here or on any forum, but rather hopefully by the competent merger committees involved if it gets to that.
 
WOW, I can't believe anyone is going to argue with Genral Lee...he's the biggest tool on this site. What kind of a clown has over 10,000 posts on a website? I'm sure he has an awesome social life and he has ALL the answers. His Delta can do no wrong and will never be bought. He will argue that Delta has the greatest fleet, and the greatest QOL, and the greatest everything. The make money and no one else does. DORK
 
Zipperhead said:
WOW, I can't believe anyone is going to argue with Genral Lee...he's the biggest tool on this site. What kind of a clown has over 10,000 posts on a website? I'm sure he has an awesome social life and he has ALL the answers. His Delta can do no wrong and will never be bought. He will argue that Delta has the greatest fleet, and the greatest QOL, and the greatest everything. The make money and no one else does. DORK
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Thanks for your constructive post. You have really added to this topic. Some people are passionate about their jobs and some aren't. Perhaps you should go fishing or play cards with your old friends.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Not getting defensive at all, i was just saying get your facts right before you present your opinion as fact. The regional feeders have a cap on the number of aircraft that can fly as a nwa feeder. there are only 18 aircraft that can, per the contract, be ordered from here on out. After that no regional can be awarded more aircraft UNTIL NWA gets Net Growth aircraft, not replacements. Therefore your comment on the E-175s replacing the DC9s cant happen. Have some of the E-175 replaced some 9 flying? Yes. The big difference in this and other carriers is that those E-175s are job protection for NWA pilots. While its not good to have bigger planes fly at the regionals at least they are capped out after the next 18 aircraft. Bottom line here is that You will not see Compass keep getting more and more aircraft while NWA just retires all the 9's like you portray,dipstick:p

:beer:
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Serious question. What "growth" a/c does NWA mainline have on order? 18 delayed 787's? Honestly, what other a/c does NWA have on order?
 

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