Some NWA facts for the General

[johnsonrod]

Your panties are really in a twist. You need to relax and take a deep breath

Yeah Mike,

Perhaps Zipperhead should switch to VELCRO! What an idiot! He's a bit high-strung...

 

[DTW320]

Northwest Delta

Aircraft # in service Hourly rate

747-400 16 $177 777 8 $188
747-200 2 $168 767-400 21 $178
747-200F 13* $168 767-300ER 60 $158
A330-300 21 $159 767-300 20 $158
A330-200 11 $159 757 136 $158
757-300 16 $142 737-800 71 $151
757-200 56 $142 MD90 16 $140
A320 75 $137 MD88 120 $140
A319 66 $137
DC9 115* $124
*3 747-200’s scheduled to be retired in 2008
*47 DC9’s scheduled to be retired in 2008

Total true widebodies: 63 Total true widebodies: 109
Total that pay widebody pay (A330 or greater): NWA – 63 Delta-245 (757’s added)

Again, no big deal, but NWA just got a 1.5% raise 1/1/08 that is not reflected in the rates you posted.

 

[michael707767]

Again, no big deal, but NWA just got a 1.5% raise 1/1/08 that is not reflected in the rates you posted.

Delta got a pay raise on Jan 1 also. It will be a minimum of 1.5%, maybe a bit more.....yet to be determined. That raise is not reflected in the rates he posted either.

 

[DAL737FO]

Again, no big deal, but NWA just got a 1.5% raise 1/1/08 that is not reflected in the rates you posted.

You're right it is no big deal. Someone started this thread with how much profit NWA makes versus DAL. That's a non starter, means nothing. If a merger takes place the only thing that is going to count is ALPA merger policy. If you look at the policy is looks at status and career expectations. At Delta pretty much every new hire has the ability to retire off a widebody the same could not be said of NWA. Here is the meat of the policy:


1. The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the following goals, in no particular order:

a. Preserve jobs.

b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.

c. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pay and standard of living.

d. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pilot status.

e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.

 

[Klamath]

At Delta pretty much every new hire has the ability to retire off a widebody the same could not be said of NWA.

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WTF? If the two remain separate, a NWA newhire will advance much faster than a DAL newhire. DAL has no upcomming retirements,.. hardly a soul over 55 years old. NWA has lots of crusty Captains that have a retirement and will leave near 60. With half the NWA list above age 50, a newhire at NWA has a lot to gain. I wouldn't look forward to the stagnation at DAL once the growth hiring stops.

If the two merge, who knows, the NWA newhire will not benefit nearly as well.

 

[jonjuan]

At Delta pretty much every new hire has the ability to retire off a widebody the same could not be said of NWA.

Retire? Who cares? How far out are hiring expectations supposed to go? Right now at NWA, a pilot could retire off a 787-same could not be said of DL. What if DL and WN decided to merge? Would you also claim that career expectations for DL pilots say they can retire of a widebody and avoid all LBB overnights?

 

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Northwest Delta

Aircraft # in service Hourly rate

747-400 16 $177 777 8 $188
747-200 2 $168 767-400 21 $178
747-200F 13* $168 767-300ER 60 $158
A330-300 21 $159 767-300 20 $158
A330-200 11 $159 757 136 $158
757-300 16 $142 737-800 71 $151
757-200 56 $142 MD90 16 $140
A320 75 $137 MD88 120 $140
A319 66 $137
DC9 115* $124
*3 747-200’s scheduled to be retired in 2008
*47 DC9’s scheduled to be retired in 2008

Total true widebodies: 63 Total true widebodies: 109
Total that pay widebody pay (A330 or greater): NWA – 63 Delta-245 (757’s added)

Hey, you do know that the 757 only has one aisle in it, don't you?

 

[Noserider76]

Retire? Who cares? How far out are hiring expectations supposed to go? Right now at NWA, a pilot could retire off a 787-same could not be said of DL. What if DL and WN decided to merge? Would you also claim that career expectations for DL pilots say they can retire of a widebody and avoid all LBB overnights?

The 787 is roughly the size of a 767 and would probably pay about the same.

 

[jonjuan]

The 787 is roughly the size of a 767 and would probably pay about the same.

Are you management? Hope your MEC doesn't concede that a 787, being about the same size, should pay the same as a 767.

 

[whymeworry?]

As if either of you two have anything to do with the direction of the company.

Get over it and get over yourselves.

Your both cogs-in-the-wheel with a ticket to the dance. Your opinon and insight mean nothing. Sit back and just enjoy the ride.