Soldier in the know says" Kerrys a fraud

[BornAgainPagan]

So, we must choose the least disingenuous humans we can find who reflect the values upon which the United States was formed.

blacks considered 3/5ths human, only property owners having voting rights, women can't vote, etc. mmmm, yes, great "values"!

This is quite the understatement but, not all was peachy about our roots. Considering how many *"hate America first" conservatives pay lip service to the perfection of the constitution in it's original form, it's even more interesting that our founding fathers built in that the constitution is not infallible.

*thought I'd take license with your very own spinniing tactics

 

[ThomasR]

Chas,

I have talked with many people that I personally consider to be hero's. What was outstanding in these individuals is:

1. they were reluctant to discuss details [although they will confide in those who are truly compassionate]

2. they considered their acts to be regretful [usually conflicted in personal morality issues]

3. they felt they were caught up in situations that left little or not alternatives

4. none of them used their acts as leverage to gain political support

 

[Morning Wood]

Re: ...

"Tonight, Kerry said that President Bush has created terrorists!"

He's incorrect. It wasn't Bush, it was Reagan. Good old GOP boy! Bush could induldge in his own Reaganism and give money, weapons and training to a dubious leader of an oppressive regime...

Reagan created terrorists? I guess if you really want to
back up in history, who was in office when those airplanes
were hijacked to the desert and blown up? Richard Nixon.
So I guess he's the one that created terrorists.;

 

[I Hate Freight]

Liberals HATE America!

Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being.
They are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded, selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.

 

[CFI'er]

"Questioning Kerrys war record is nothing but a pathetic low blow. He WAS there, he took some bullets, he got some medals.
If you disagree with his politics, say so. But spare me the distrust in the military institution, by saying that they are incompetent in awarding a hero.
Get over it!"

His war wounds were classified as “bandade’ only. For those in the front lines, a bullet never touched him. Notice that no one in his unit has come forward to collaborate his story. True, he was awarded three Purple Hearts. It will be in his service record. If he was a true hero, why did he leave after only a short time in country, and what exactly were his injuries. I knew a few who where over there in country for two tours, in the thick of things, and none received such injuries to receive a medal. Yes, they were wounded but did not accept the medals. It was not a serious enough injury to require hospitalization. Sounds like Kerry needed the medals to get out of country and return to the US of A to protest and get into politics.

 

[Chas]

reality being....

as was stated before anyone who really saw combat that I know NEVER discuss details . Kerry for years wouild say things like " I was in Vietnam.... or When I was in Vietnam or I served our country ..." This was before he had any real chance at winning the presidency . After seeing him on this week with George Stephanopolous I realize the man has a very selective memory on which Military spending programs he voted for or against . Truth be told I would trust someone who may appear a little slow and un refined over a sneaky liar . Chas

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Chas,

Where were Bush and dick during the vietnam war?

 

[bart]

Freddie,

Where were you?

Ever seen combat?

If not, apply your own standard, you are not qualified to speak on the subject, so shut up...

 

[Freddie Spencer]

I bet bush has never seen combat either and he is our commander in chief, how is that possible bart?

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Bart's buddies

 

[Chas]

where were ...

my 2 older brothers during vietnam ???
They missed getting drafted by a few Numbers . They were LUCKY -- someone else probably caught a bullet in their place. ( god rest their soles)Since when is serving in the military a pre requisiste for the presidency . Listen up lib Where were you when Clinton avoided the draft ? But more to the point where were you when Clinton protested in Russia . You make me wretch. The hypocrisy is unbelievable . .

 

[bart]

Freddie,

I will go back to my original question:

When and where did you serve?

Have you ever been in a combat zone, much less shot at?

You act as if you are an expert on the subject, so please tell us...

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Bart,

For good reasons I never served, but that is really besides the point.

 

[350DRIVER]

as was stated before anyone who really saw combat that I know NEVER discuss details .

One of NY's finest is out of the closet.. Edumnaction in sapllimng


what a dumb smuck

3 5 0

thought he got his little a$$ beat up enough over the past few months, and to know they let him tarnish a security badge- ouch- He has got to be one of NY's dumbest, you think he would learn...

 

[bart]

For good reasons I never served

Let me guess, you got a medical exemption for pissing yourself every time a door slammed...

 

[Herman Bloom]

Timebuilder.....

I'm speechless. You are not smart.

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Let me guess, you got a medical exemption for pissing yourself every time a door slammed...

Almost, the medical exemption was for herpes I caught from your mom.

 

[Singlecoil]

Its time for a thread hijack.

How about writing a caption for Freddie Spencer's avatar?

Like, "You didn't really think I came here to study, did you?"

or, "Isn't it time you put that camera down?"

Who is that anyway?

 

[CLCAP]

Hey Bart - how about if we only let pople who served vote!? Or have opinions? Why are conservatives SO arrogant??

By the way - did you read the article in Time that compares our stock market performance during Republican and Democratic presidents since the beginning of the last century? Seems like NYSE likes Dems better or something - (yeah I know - here you come with a bunch of explanations as to why the cons (conservatives shortened) created it all - but face it - if you want the stock market to surge - historic data supports Kerry)

 

[Big Duke Six]

Aerosmith wrote:

C'mon guys, Kerry was a highly decorated Viet vet. He DID his duty. Dubya hid it out in 'Bama and went to the dentist!

Aerosmith, you could save us all a lot of bandwidth and just remove the "Civ" next to your "Civ/Mil" block. It is annoyingly obvious that you have no real understanding of what GWB actually accomplished while "hiding" during the war. Wait, on second thoght, scratch that. Maybe you should keep it there so that we can see at a glance why you are displaying such ignorance. Understand it is not your ignorance that pi$$es me off so much as your willingness to throw around statements like that without understanding what you are talking about BEFORE you say it.

Do you have ANY idea how many Guardsmen served in Vietnam? Do you realize that they were there, fighting and dying next to their active duty brothers and sisters? Do you understand that the fact that his unit was not activated and sent to the war in no way diminishes the fact that W, or for that matter ANY of the thousands and thousands of soldiers who did not go, were there, ready to go? I take personal offense to your assertion that a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard is any less of a fighter pilot than one in the active duty AF. Their training is all the same. Moreover, I am 100% percent certain that if his unit, whichever unit it was at that moment in time, had been called up, he would have gone.

Kerry's medals, BTW, may or may not be genuine. Yes, they are in his records, but medals were easy to acquire when you were the commander of your own little unit and could put YOURSELF in for such things.

As for Kerry's judgement, I don't feel that jeopardizing the safety of your crewmen to pick up an expended rocket launcher from a mortally wounded soldier qualifies as heroic.