Soe

[LXApilot]

I got my CE-500 and CE-650 types within three weeks back in 2004. Both type ratings reflected an SOE. After a few months I made an appointment to see an ops inspector at the local FSDO. When I met with him he asked me to show him my logbook reflecting the 25 hours in the left seat, he asked me a few questions, then issued me a new certificate with both SOE's removed. Simple as that, probably took a grand total of 30 minutes.

However, the idea about getting typed twice concurrently to get an SOE removed is not so accurate. In fact, it's highlighted on the FAA website regarding removal of an SOE limitation. Just make the appointment at the FSDO. You'll be in and out in no-time. The ops inspectors are so "airline oriented" it is very rare for them to deal with this. They might even have to look it up themselves.

 

[HawkerF/O]

I got my CE-500 and CE-650 types within three weeks back in 2004. Both type ratings reflected an SOE. After a few months I made an appointment to see an ops inspector at the local FSDO. When I met with him he asked me to show him my logbook reflecting the 25 hours in the left seat, he asked me a few questions, then issued me a new certificate with both SOE's removed. Simple as that, probably took a grand total of 30 minutes.

However, the idea about getting typed twice concurrently to get an SOE removed is not so accurate. In fact, it's highlighted on the FAA website regarding removal of an SOE limitation. Just make the appointment at the FSDO. You'll be in and out in no-time. The ops inspectors are so "airline oriented" it is very rare for them to deal with this. They might even have to look it up themselves.

If a training vendor double SOE'd a pilot cerftificate, they were wrong to do so. Here's the reg. Unless it can be shown differently, I don't see where it calls for the Type to be unrestricted, and as we know all too well, verbage is king with the Federal Gov't and the FAA.

(ii) The applicant must meet at least one of the following:
(A) Hold a type rating for a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been appointed by a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a type rating in a turbojet airplane is sought.
(B) Hold a type rating for a turbopropeller airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, or have been designated by a military service as a pilot in command of an airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, if a type rating in a turbopropeller airplane is sought.
(C) Have at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours is in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought.
(D) Have at least 500 hours of flight time in the same type airplane as the airplane for which the rating is sought.
(E) Have at least 1,000 hours of flight time in at least two different airplanes requiring a type rating.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Interesting... We had Saab pilots upgrade to captain without meeting ANY of those requirements. I believe their only cert limitation was the Circ VMC only. (which everyone gets here on any type here these days) Maybe it's because every captain must do OE with a checkairman as part of FAR121 requirements so they don't bother to put that SOE limitation on.

 

[Pickle]

Interesting... We had Saab pilots upgrade to captain without meeting ANY of those requirements. I believe their only cert limitation was the Circ VMC only. (which everyone gets here on any type here these days) Maybe it's because every captain must do OE with a checkairman as part of FAR121 requirements so they don't bother to put that SOE limitation on.

That is exactly why. 121 is covered in other ways.