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Well said. When I was at Flight Options, it always seemed that middle management was tasked to do the dirty work that upper management couldn't do. The same middle management were from the same stock of people who ran Flight Options to the ground in the past...

I wonder if things have changed...!!!
 
Well said. When I was at Flight Options, it always seemed that middle management was tasked to do the dirty work that upper management couldn't do. The same middle management were from the same stock of people who ran Flight Options to the ground in the past...

I wonder if things have changed...!!!

No things haven't changed. The same PM that was fired from the Hawker fleet (few years ago), is the PM for the LG cabin fleet now. The Hawker PM that was caught on tape telling a crew to fly a broken plane, will probably be a checkairman in the BJ fleet here soon (he was fired from the PM job). We have PSMs now, and some pilots have said they are border line criminal on what they say we can do. So its the same. But we do have an Scab (Think he is B19, on here), and a guy from India, and a garage door salesman here in upper management
 
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Bad bosses get promoted, not punished...

No things haven't changed. The same PM that was fired from the Hawker fleet (few years ago), is the PM for the LG cabin fleet now. The Hawker PM that was caught on tape telling a crew to fly a broken plane, will probably be a checkairman in the BJ fleet here soon (he was fired from the PM job). We have PSMs now, and some pilots have said they are border line criminal on what they say we can do. So its the same. But we do have an Scab (Think he is B19, on here), and a guy from India, and a garage door salesman here in upper management


Bad bosses get promoted, not punished?

Friday, Aug 03, 2007 2:57PM UTC

By Rachel Breitman

NEW YORK (Reuters) - How do people get ahead in the workplace? One way seems to be by making their subordinates miserable, according to a study released Friday.

In the study to be presented at a conference on management this weekend, almost two-thirds of the 240 participants in an online survey said the local workplace tyrant was either never censured or was promoted for domineering ways.

"The fact that 64.2 percent of the respondents indicated that either nothing at all or something positive happened to the bad leader is rather remarkable -- remarkably disturbing," wrote the study's authors, Anthony Don Erickson, Ben Shaw and Zha Agabe of Bond University in Australia.

Despite their success in the office, spiteful supervisors can cause serious malaise for their subordinates, the study suggested, citing nightmares, insomnia, depression and exhaustion as symptoms of serving a brutal boss.

The authors advocated immediate intervention by industry chiefs to stop fledgling office authoritarians from rising up the ranks.

"As with any sort of cancer, the best alternative to prevention is early detection," they wrote.

They faulted senior managers for not recognizing the signs of workplace strife wrought by bad bosses. "The leaders above them who did nothing, who rewarded and promoted bad leaders ... represent an additional problem."

The study will be presented at the annual meeting of the Academy of Management, a research and teaching organization with nearly 17,000 members, from Sunday to Wednesday in Philadelphia.
 
Our CEO was fired

This explains how our CEO managed to be where he is after being fired from his last 2 jobs. Screw up and move up.:laugh:
 
Wow. I could feel the FLOPS engine starting to slide backwards down the mountain when i left two years ago but I had no idea it had gotten that bad. I can still remember the two Captains on my last trip telling me that I was going to regret going to Continental. Now, I only fly a three day trip a week and just passed up on a Captain upgrade in Newark. It looks like I got out just in time.

To those who are fighting the good fight, keep it up. I had a good time over there and would love to hear about a turnaround...soon.
 
I'm wondering what would happen to FLOP's if the proposed expansion of the Domicile system at NJA occurs.

How will they attract qualified people if that happens?

and

Might people there up and leave for NJA?
 
I'm wondering what would happen to FLOP's if the proposed expansion of the Domicile system at NJA occurs.

How will they attract qualified people if that happens?

and

Might people there up and leave for NJA?

Definitely. I know of some guys who are waiting for better domiciles, then they're going for NJA when that happens.
 
I'm wondering what would happen to FLOP's if the proposed expansion of the Domicile system at NJA occurs.

How will they attract qualified people if that happens?

and

Might people there up and leave for NJA?

There would be a mass exodus from the joint. I hear captains talking about making the jump when the domociles open up.

It would bring FLOPS operation to a screeching halt, but the insightful management team members will never SEE it comming. :laugh:
 
I can just see it now the week before Thanksgiving 40 or 50 guys walking out and going to NetJets.

What would they tell the owners?

We had a large amount of pilots quit and go to NetJets because we treat them like Sh*t and and pay them like Sh*t.
 
I can just see it now the week before Thanksgiving 40 or 50 guys walking out and going to NetJets.

What would they tell the owners?

We had a large amount of pilots quit and go to NetJets because we treat them like Sh*t and and pay them like Sh*t.

you didn't hear, were still fat on pilots..Its insane
 
you didn't hear, were still fat on pilots..Its insane

Dear ???? we are offering guaranteed overtime for Aug. ##.

That's was the first message I got after turning the BB on after my week off ... DELETE. :p
 
Just Wait

Dear ???? we are offering guaranteed overtime for Aug. ##.

That's was the first message I got after turning the BB on after my week off ... DELETE. :p


Just wait until NJ get a huge raise for their new hires and opens up their bases, Options will end up reducing their mins to 500 hr and a warm breath. I truly believe we are about to see a mass exodus from Options, maybe as many as 100 pilots. Should be very interesting around peak travel season.:laugh:
 
Does anybody else wonder why nobody on this board has posted anything about Flops interviews? It seems every week the NJ interviewees are discussing their interviews. Are people scared to admit they took the time to interview at Flops?
 
Does anybody else wonder why nobody on this board has posted anything about Flops interviews? It seems every week the NJ interviewees are discussing their interviews. Are people scared to admit they took the time to interview at Flops?


Anyone that is interviewing at Options is either so green that they don't even know the questions to ask or they are the unemployable that will take a job at Options because no one else would hire them.:D
 
Just wait until NJ get a huge raise for their new hires and opens up their bases, Options will end up reducing their mins to 500 hr and a warm breath. I truly believe we are about to see a mass exodus from Options, maybe as many as 100 pilots. Should be very interesting around peak travel season.:laugh:

...and it is so typical of our management to ignore this reality. it is no wonder that our OCC always rolls the dice...this mentality comes from the top!
 
...and it is so typical of our management to ignore this reality. it is no wonder that our OCC always rolls the dice...this mentality comes from the top!

With the rumored changes coming to NJ in the fall with domiciles and increased pay, Options is not only going to have a problem finding qualified pilots but they are very likely to see a mass exodus from existing pilot ranks. We may see as many as 100 - 150 pilots leave over the next 4-6 months. Do you think our strategic planers in the puzzle palace have calculated this into their spread sheets. I would be willing to bet that denial is exactly what is in place in CGF. Just as they were in denial in recognizing that a Union could and would happen at Options. Peek travel should be a lot of fun.:laugh:
 
I know what the NJA owners will be thankful for over Thanksgiving. . .not buying a Flops share.
 
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I know what the NJA owners will be thankful for over Thanksgiving. . .not buying a Flops share.

Can you say "management panic". When the jets are no longer moving from point A to B because there are no pilots to fly them it will be a Sh!tfinger panic moment. Wish I could see the scene in his office and blaming the pilots for how screwed up things are. When this peak travel disaster comes along its only architect was Sh!tfinger & Co.:laugh:
 
300 hr. wonders

Heard today that our management is considering the idea of hiring 300 hr. wonders and putting them at Simuflight until they have what management considers sufficient time to go to the fleet. So I guess the question has to be asked will a couple of hundred of sim hours make these babies safe to operate in the day to day environment that we are thrust into???? :rolleyes:
 
Phoenix - is there any sort of minimum pilot qualifications written into the owners' contracts or to the details of your card program?
 
Heard today that our management is considering the idea of hiring 300 hr. wonders and putting them at Simuflight until they have what management considers sufficient time to go to the fleet. So I guess the question has to be asked will a couple of hundred of sim hours make these babies safe to operate in the day to day environment that we are thrust into???? :rolleyes:

I can't believe this would ever happen. When word of this got out to Net Jets, Shares, Flex, Avantair sales force, and especially our owners, sales of shares and cards would screach to a halt at FLOPs (if it hasn't already).
 
With the rumored changes coming to NJ in the fall with domiciles and increased pay, Options is not only going to have a problem finding qualified pilots but they are very likely to see a mass exodus from existing pilot ranks. We may see as many as 100 - 150 pilots leave over the next 4-6 months. Do you think our strategic planers in the puzzle palace have calculated this into their spread sheets. I would be willing to bet that denial is exactly what is in place in CGF. Just as they were in denial in recognizing that a Union could and would happen at Options. Peek travel should be a lot of fun.:laugh:

I wonder if the qualified pilots that may be left at that time will be in any kind of physical condition to fly. The thought of it is already making my stomach a little queasy. Throw in these maladies and the inherent fatigue of operating with such a thin pilot base and I foresee BIG problems servicing our owners.
 
If there are still any questions in your mind...

Now management is threatening layoffs again??

I hear we have a new group in indoc??

Stay Away from this place!!!
 

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