SO! You want to work at Flight Options...

[be-400xpdriver]

Great question...
NJ= I have to drive to get to my base. And basicly about a 5 year upgrade..

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NJA domiciles are almost dead. Give it 3-4 months. Interest Based Bargining will be done Oct. 1st with a vote soon after that. It will not be HBA for new hires but some thing far greater than the old Gateway system.

I flew with a former FO guy several months ago who spent 5 yrs as a beechjet sic and was hired as a beechjet sic here. Also met another former FO guy today who is a new hire on the Xcel.

Good Luck.

 

[IronManNDFW]

What we are currently dealing with.

Hey NJ folks, best get to home basing 1st or we will have a flood of FO for you in the future.

Weekly Announcement for July 23, 2007

Negotiating Report​

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Union and management representatives began July’s round of negotiations on the morning of Tuesday, June 17 with management responding to the Union’s previous proposal on Section 13 – Home Base Airports. The parties continue to discuss and are working to develop a basing system that is mutually beneficial to both sides. Currently, the Union and management are each developing data to be exchanged in advance of next month’s bargaining session. It is anticipated that Section 13 will consume most of the bargaining activity when the parties meet again in August. Additionally, on Tuesday management made its initial proposal of Section 2 – Management Rights. Your Union quickly responded with a counter proposal and, as the week progressed, agreement was reached on approximately half the sub-sections in Section 2.

On Wednesday, your Union made its initial proposal of Section 18 – Union Representation. Several counter proposals were exchanged and, by Friday morning, agreement has been reached on many of the sub-sections of Section 18. Additionally, your Union reopened negotiations on Section 5 – Seniority and has reached agreement with management on another sub-section of that very important portion of the CBA

On Thursday, multiple counter proposals on Section 2, Section 5 and Section 18 were exchanged between your Union and management and several sub-sections agreed upon.

Friday morning was spent fine tuning some of the administrative issues regarding the exchange of information that both parties will use to further develop proposals on Section 13 – Home Base Airports.

The next bargaining session is scheduled for the week of August 13.

Table Talk

(Table Talk is an informal discussion of events related to current negotiations)​

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Once again, July’s bargaining session was very productive. Management not only responded to some of the Union’s proposals that remain open from previous sessions, but they made a proposal of their own for Section 2 – Management Rights. Bargaining over this section was amiable and about half of the content has been agreed upon. We are hopeful that the remaining sub-sections of Section 2 will be closed out in August.

Likewise, progress was also made on Section 18 – Union Representation. However, there is considerable distance to go to close some of the sub-sections in Section 18, particularly those concerning the status of pilots who choose to go into management positions.

There were several exchanges of ideas that should lead to productive “brainstorming” between the parties in August on how to establish a Home Base Airport (HBA) and domicile system that works for both the pilots and management. Both parties have committed they will prepare their own database of possible domicile airports predicated on an identified “criteria based” system. It is anticipated that management will work hard in the next few weeks to provide the Union with the data requested prior to reconvening on August 13 so that bargaining over this important subject can proceed in earnest. Your Union looks forward to receiving that data.

OPEN SECTIONS
2 – Management Rights (v4)5 – Seniority (v7)6 – Training and Proficiency Checks (v3)13 – Home Base Airports & Domiciles (v2)14 – Special Assignments (v1)18 – Union Representation (v3)19 – Scheduling (v1)28 – Hours of Service (v8)

?? – Filling of Vacancies (v4)

SECTIONS SET ASIDE
4 – Qualifications (v7)7 – Furlough and Recall (v12)9 – Uniforms (v3)16 – Leave of Absence (v11)21 – Grievance Procedure (v10)22 – System Board of Adjustment (v8)23 – General Conditions (v5)


REMOVE FROM CBA
17 – Union & Management Cooperation (v6)TA’D SECTIONS12 – Equal Opportunity25 – Physical Examination26 – Internment/Prisoner/Missing/Hostage

(end)​

 

[400pilot]

Hey O.S., how did you get 30 days more? Not including vacation, we work 12 days more per year than NJ......

We do just over 24 cycles per year, about 195 days at work. NJ does 26 cycles, or about 183 days.

 

[johnsonrod]

Dayjet is hiring...

For any of you FO guys who want a set schedule, sleep in your own bed every night and don't mind a pay cut for a boost in QOL, Dayjet is hiring in Florida. I can't imagine living in Boca Raton on $50K but other domiciles might be nice.

I wonder if Dayjet has a weight restriction for pilots - can't have obese pilots in that small jet...

www.dayjet.com

 

[dime line]

For any of you FO guys who want a set schedule, sleep in your own bed every night and don't mind a pay cut for a boost in QOL, Dayjet is hiring in Florida. I can't imagine living in Boca Raton on $50K but other domiciles might be nice.

I wonder if Dayjet has a weight restriction for pilots - can't have obese pilots in that small jet...

www.dayjet.com

I'm just so happy to have a job, Thank you for paying me 50000 a year............I"ll wax the plane as well

 

[learflyer]

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[Phoenix]

For any of you FO guys who want a set schedule, sleep in your own bed every night and don't mind a pay cut for a boost in QOL, Dayjet is hiring in Florida. I can't imagine living in Boca Raton on $50K but other domiciles might be nice.

I wonder if Dayjet has a weight restriction for pilots - can't have obese pilots in that small jet...

www.dayjet.com

Let me think about this, go to a start up with the potential to have all the problems that we have at Options and make 30K a year less and have to move to FL.

OR....

Stay here and fight to fix the problems we have and enter into a new CBA and its new pay scale with 9 or 10 years seniority.

Let me think about this uke:

 

[dime line]

Let me think about this, go to a start up with the potential to have all the problems that we have at Options and make 30K a year less and have to move to FL.

OR....

Stay here and fight to fix the problems we have and enter into a new CBA and its new pay scale with 9 or 10 years seniority.

Let me think about this uke:

oh yea your getting called into CGF 1 arrival, where is B19 he will set it up

 

[Phoenix]

oh yea your getting called into CGF 1 arrival, where is B19 he will set it up

Well Bob has to have a hobby, this board keeps him occupied. The CGF 1 lets his PMs screw with pilots and the end result is to mask the real problems in the company.:laugh:

 

[GooseHZ]

bump up

 

[fracsdispatcher]

Well said. When I was at Flight Options, it always seemed that middle management was tasked to do the dirty work that upper management couldn't do. The same middle management were from the same stock of people who ran Flight Options to the ground in the past...

I wonder if things have changed...!!!

 

[dime line]

Well said. When I was at Flight Options, it always seemed that middle management was tasked to do the dirty work that upper management couldn't do. The same middle management were from the same stock of people who ran Flight Options to the ground in the past...

I wonder if things have changed...!!!

No things haven't changed. The same PM that was fired from the Hawker fleet (few years ago), is the PM for the LG cabin fleet now. The Hawker PM that was caught on tape telling a crew to fly a broken plane, will probably be a checkairman in the BJ fleet here soon (he was fired from the PM job). We have PSMs now, and some pilots have said they are border line criminal on what they say we can do. So its the same. But we do have an Scab (Think he is B19, on here), and a guy from India, and a garage door salesman here in upper management

 

[fracsdispatcher]

Bad bosses get promoted, not punished...

No things haven't changed. The same PM that was fired from the Hawker fleet (few years ago), is the PM for the LG cabin fleet now. The Hawker PM that was caught on tape telling a crew to fly a broken plane, will probably be a checkairman in the BJ fleet here soon (he was fired from the PM job). We have PSMs now, and some pilots have said they are border line criminal on what they say we can do. So its the same. But we do have an Scab (Think he is B19, on here), and a guy from India, and a garage door salesman here in upper management

Bad bosses get promoted, not punished?

Friday, Aug 03, 2007 2:57PM UTC

By Rachel Breitman

NEW YORK (Reuters) - How do people get ahead in the workplace? One way seems to be by making their subordinates miserable, according to a study released Friday.

In the study to be presented at a conference on management this weekend, almost two-thirds of the 240 participants in an online survey said the local workplace tyrant was either never censured or was promoted for domineering ways.

"The fact that 64.2 percent of the respondents indicated that either nothing at all or something positive happened to the bad leader is rather remarkable -- remarkably disturbing," wrote the study's authors, Anthony Don Erickson, Ben Shaw and Zha Agabe of Bond University in Australia.

Despite their success in the office, spiteful supervisors can cause serious malaise for their subordinates, the study suggested, citing nightmares, insomnia, depression and exhaustion as symptoms of serving a brutal boss.

The authors advocated immediate intervention by industry chiefs to stop fledgling office authoritarians from rising up the ranks.

"As with any sort of cancer, the best alternative to prevention is early detection," they wrote.

They faulted senior managers for not recognizing the signs of workplace strife wrought by bad bosses. "The leaders above them who did nothing, who rewarded and promoted bad leaders ... represent an additional problem."

The study will be presented at the annual meeting of the Academy of Management, a research and teaching organization with nearly 17,000 members, from Sunday to Wednesday in Philadelphia.

 

[Phoenix]

Our CEO was fired

This explains how our CEO managed to be where he is after being fired from his last 2 jobs. Screw up and move up.:laugh:

 

[Phrogs4ever]

Wow. I could feel the FLOPS engine starting to slide backwards down the mountain when i left two years ago but I had no idea it had gotten that bad. I can still remember the two Captains on my last trip telling me that I was going to regret going to Continental. Now, I only fly a three day trip a week and just passed up on a Captain upgrade in Newark. It looks like I got out just in time.

To those who are fighting the good fight, keep it up. I had a good time over there and would love to hear about a turnaround...soon.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I'm wondering what would happen to FLOP's if the proposed expansion of the Domicile system at NJA occurs.

How will they attract qualified people if that happens?

and

Might people there up and leave for NJA?

 

[learflyer]

I'm wondering what would happen to FLOP's if the proposed expansion of the Domicile system at NJA occurs.

How will they attract qualified people if that happens?

and

Might people there up and leave for NJA?

Definitely. I know of some guys who are waiting for better domiciles, then they're going for NJA when that happens.

 

[TurboHonda]

Definitely. I know of some guys who are waiting for better domiciles, then they're going for NJA when that happens.

I hope their dues are up to date.

 

[dime line]

Definitely. I know of some guys who are waiting for better domiciles, then they're going for NJA when that happens.

oh you mean me, and dues are all up to date...

 

[learflyer]

yes I do! I'm flying again BTW, see you in TEB!