So when do the new rest rules actually happen?

[OCP]

Is it with the new flight time/ATP requirements?

 

[SiuDude]

January 4th, 2014.
No, they don't coincide with the ATP thing.

 

[OCP]

Thanks.

 

[Tarzan]

A distinct reduction for your QOL occurs that day.

 

[jumppilot1000]

Why are they in such a hurry to implement it?

 

[wms]

'Til then our schedules don't have to be safe.

 

[labbats]

Beware the inevitable waiver.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Why are they in such a hurry to implement it?

Because if they can hold off long enough with no accidents they'll just quietly shelve it and pretend "they fixed it".

 

[Tarzan]

Safer? Hardly. Science based description does not rule out subjective rationale regarding this sort of issue. Numbers do lie when presented in a fashion to support which side of the argument you subscribe to.

The end result? You will come to work for more days same amount of money you make now. Someone put that in an envelope and seal until three months after implementation.

 

[Nevets]

Safer? Hardly. Science based description does not rule out subjective rationale regarding this sort of issue. Numbers do lie when presented in a fashion to support which side of the argument you subscribe to.

The end result? You will come to work for more days same amount of money you make now. Someone put that in an envelope and seal until three months after implementation.

It's been proven that humans need, on average, about 8 hours of sleep, become fatigued after about 16 hours of wakefulness, and that the best rest is gained during WOCL. The fact that the new reg will require at least 10 hours for rest, alone, will make it safer than the status quo.

 

[IBNAV8R]

2014, unless the company can find "alternative compliance", or about 3 days after a congressman's wife and/or kids are killed in a crash by tired crews.

 

[Scapegoat]

It's been proven that humans need, on average, about 8 hours of sleep,

Again the numbers support which side of the argument your on. Humans do not 'need' 8 hours of sleep. The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. If you need more rest on an overnight after a long day, you take it. Period. Regardless what the rules permit schedulers to schedule. Not enough pilots stand up for themselves when they are truly tired and need a little more rest than what's provided by regulation.

 

[chqflyer]

Again the numbers support which side of the argument your on. Humans do not 'need' 8 hours of sleep. The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. If you need more rest on an overnight after a long day, you take it. Period. Regardless what the rules permit schedulers to schedule. Not enough pilots stand up for themselves when they are truly tired and need a little more rest than what's provided by regulation.

In theory, that's how it should work. But most regional pilots are barely scraping by as it is. So there is the financial dis-incentive to calling fatigued when necessary. Some companies also have punitive policies which discourage fatigue calls. It's total BS, but part of the screwed up status quo.

 

[DYLIN]

Again the numbers support which side of the argument your on. Humans do not 'need' 8 hours of sleep. The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. If you need more rest on an overnight after a long day, you take it. Period. Regardless what the rules permit schedulers to schedule. Not enough pilots stand up for themselves when they are truly tired and need a little more rest than what's provided by regulation.

Turns out, what you suggest hasn't been working so well for the past 50 years.

 

[livin'thesim]

Did the 1500 hour rule get tabled? I heard a rumor that it was being substantially watered down or eliminiated.

 

[wms]

Shorter days, more rest and better pay is where this has to go. Anyone who's arguing otherwise is a GO cubicle dweller.

 

[pilotyip]

Shorter days, more rest and better pay is where this has to go. Anyone who's arguing otherwise is a GO cubicle dweller.

It couild also mean fewer dayd off in order to make guarentee, watch out for those unintented consquences

 

[SiuDude]

It couild also mean fewer dayd off in order to make guarentee, watch out for those unintented consquences

...speaking of cubicle dwellers.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the 2007 hiring boom!

 

[pilotyip]

..BTW, I'm still waiting for the 2007 hiring boom!

That was a ong time ago, fogged mirror got you a job at regional. The 2012 boom is gettting under way. Just watch.

 

[labbats]

That was a ong time ago, fogged mirror got you a job at regional. The 2012 boom is gettting under way. Just watch.

I would argue with pilotyip but my wall is much closer and has more chance of listening.

 

[pilotyip]

I would argue with pilotyip but my wall is much closer and has more chance of listening.

feel free, one of us might be right, but only time will tell, and you may be more right than me

 

[xjhawk]

A distinct reduction for your QOL occurs that day.

or for those who have never had anymore than 11 days off in 9 years and is on reserve with 8-9 hour overnights all the time-a distinct increase in QOL

 

[CFIT]

Two things I've been told is that it will require airlines to have approximately 8% more pilots to fly the existing schedule and that rest will begin when you get to the hotel.

I'm so sick of waiting for hotel vans, maybe it will improve?

 

[pilotyip]

so does anyone really know when the final ruling will be seen, and after it is seen what will be the implementation period, Will it will include supplemental, will it count short call reserve off airport as duty? We need to know this stuff to update the hiring boom posts

 

[Nevets]

Again the numbers support which side of the argument your on. Humans do not 'need' 8 hours of sleep. The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. If you need more rest on an overnight after a long day, you take it. Period. Regardless what the rules permit schedulers to schedule. Not enough pilots stand up for themselves when they are truly tired and need a little more rest than what's provided by regulation.

The science has already proven the three points I wrote, one being that the average human needs about 8 hours of restful sleep. That is ALL I'm saying. I'm not talking about employers, attendance policies, sick banks, days off, pay, etc.

 

[OCP]

so does anyone really know when the final ruling will be seen, and after it is seen what will be the implementation period, Will it will include supplemental, will it count short call reserve off airport as duty? We need to know this stuff to update the hiring boom posts

Part of the BS of when this starts is that this 2 years of waiting for these rules is to allow the companies to see how to implement these changes. But, as we know, the companies are using this as a 2 year reprieve and shoveling as much as they can down on us until 1 year and 364 days. Then they'll probably get an extension because they weren't ready.

 

[pilotyip]

Did the 1500 hour rule get tabled? I heard a rumor that it was being substantially watered down or eliminiated.

Still a work in progress, from what I hear. Also Part 117 does not apply to all cargo carriers

 

[IBNAV8R]

Again the numbers support which side of the argument your on. Humans do not 'need' 8 hours of sleep. The truth about this is that we will be working more for the same ammount of hours of pay. If you need more rest on an overnight after a long day, you take it. Period. Regardless what the rules permit schedulers to schedule. Not enough pilots stand up for themselves when they are truly tired and need a little more rest than what's provided by regulation.

I suspect this sentiment will be at the heart of "alternative compliance" schemes. "We'll keep scheduling you like we want and YOU tell us when you're fatigued. You're not REALLY that tired are you? You just need a good, strong cup of coffee." "Did we mention we can NOW schedule you for 9 hours?"

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Romney will cancel those new rules on day 1. Don't worry. (Not to turn this to politics).

 

[Clutch]

Romney will cancel those new rules on day 1. Don't worry. (Not to turn this to politics).

ya just did. That's a retarded statement. You retarded?