So What Is It USAir East Wants?

[becket]

What the East wants is simple...they want to give their cancer to sombody else. That's "fair"...

 

[Hpilot]

I do apologize. I've been hearing a few AWA pilots on various boards say it's a good idea to voluntarily throw up fences around east coast bases in order to appease the east. I think that's a terrible idea. I mis-understood your post and thought you were advocating that scenario.

I think we've already done our fair share of trying to be reasonable with the East. If they can't abide by the arbitration process they agreed to then screw em'. I'm tired of being nice. If it comes down to a fight we'll all lose but in the end they'll fair far worse. They're either too stubborn or stupid to see it though.

 

[Hpilot]

I think going back and forth with the Delta guys was far more fun. They may be arrogant but at least they have integrity. I'm taking a vacation from flightinfo.com.

 

[FDJ2]

I think it is inconsistent to demand recognition for expected advancements due to retirements over the next several years, without also then bringing the expectation of corporate solvency into the conversation.

If you want to argue expectations, you can't pick and choose which expectations should be considered.

If the east got the short end of the integration, it was probably due to their intransigence over DOH/LOS.

The decision has been made, sure the fences should have been longer, perhaps that should have been the main point of the argument, but really, what are you going to do now as a pilot group? Allow bitterness to consume you, or move forward, with some semblance of unity, and take the opportunity section 6 negotiations present to improve your contract?

Sooner or later cooler heads will prevail, the sooner the better for all involved.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

FDJ2 I agree with you.

 

[PositiveRate]

"I think it is inconsistent to demand recognition for expected advancements due to retirements over the next several years, without also then bringing the expectation of corporate solvency into the conversation.

If you want to argue expectations, you can't pick and choose which expectations should be considered."


This is 100% correct. It's also why the award is the way it is. Let's move on now and work towards getting a real contract and not some dinky POS the company thinks they can pawn off on us.

 

[AutoBus]

"I think it is inconsistent to demand recognition for expected advancements due to retirements over the next several years, without also then bringing the expectation of corporate solvency into the conversation.

If you want to argue expectations, you can't pick and choose which expectations should be considered."


This is 100% correct. It's also why the award is the way it is. Let's move on now and work towards getting a real contract and not some dinky POS the company thinks they can pawn off on us.

Well said, I think that sentence sums it all up, you can't have one without the other.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Just staple the rustheads to the bottom of the list...least they wont be at the soup kitchen which is where they otherwise would have been by now.....

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2 I agree with you.

Stop the presses.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Yeah, no kidding!

 

[stlflyguy]

If I remember correctly, didn't an arbitrator once say in the Continental/People's Express merger that "the financial condition of the company has nothing to do with the career expectations of the pilots?"

stlflyguy

 

[Green]

and another arbitrator (i'll find the case) stated that attrition is not an equity which needs to be compensated during the integration process. In other words just because you have multiple retirements coming up doesn't mean you are entitled to special treatment.

 

[flypixs]

CRY, CRY AND CRY, how is it to feel the pain?
Good and I am glad that every AAA pilot feels the pain of being last in line.

What a win for all regional groups out there

 

[Crzipilot]

Anyone see the article in the past gazette <PIT>???? Interesting.....

 

[Fast43]

Hey Crzipilot

This afternoon I looked at a copy of the new combined list and saw that there were a bunch of east guys on it (at the top) that have already retired earlier this year. Whats the big deal right??? Well if you read the last day of transcripts you would see that the Arbitrator instructed both merger committees to give him a copy of each groups seniority list as it will appear on June 1 2007. ie no dead guys or retired guys etc.

Now since the east merger committee chose not to be as accurate as requested and included the guys who retired already this year and the Arbitrator gave them the first 517 slots. didn't the east merger committee kinda screw some of the guys just below the 517 mark by giving some of those slots to already retired guys.

 

[FDJ2]

If I remember correctly, didn't an arbitrator once say in the Continental/People's Express merger that "the financial condition of the company has nothing to do with the career expectations of the pilots?"

stlflyguy

Different arbitrator, different policy being interpretted.