So..the pilot shortage is coming?

[Redtailer]

Wherever you get your information from it is really, really bad. Just 3 months ago RA stated in a check airmen meeting that DL will be hiring early 2013. That was reiterated on the bid that was just posted so someone is on something good saying DL is furloughing.

As for a shortage, it's like most everyone here already said. The majors will not feel the pinch of a shortage. In fact it is even more competitive because guys have been stuck in the regionals longer giving them higher qualifications.

Even my worst days at a major beat my best days at a regional there is just no comparison. So there will always be competition for those jobs.

Regional level flying however is a whole other thing. If someone told you that you were going to be stuck at a regional for at least 5 years coming in to this and still no gurantee of a major job, would you do it? With the new rgs coming in to place next year it will be an interesting market for sure.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I've been hearing that Delta is going to furlough as well. That is unless the pilots give concessions. If they give up more scope, pay, and work rules they just might not furlough. Although they probably will anyway.

 

[Redtailer]

I've been hearing that Delta is going to furlough as well. That is unless the pilots give concessions. If they give up more scope, pay, and work rules they just might not furlough. Although they probably will anyway.

Whoever you guys are listening to I suggest you stop. Immediately.

You do know DL pilots just ratified a new agreement that went in to effect Jul 1 right? There was a 12% pay increase in the first year and overall the scope was tightened not to mention all of the other things that are triggered with scope, block hours and schedules with a furlough.

All of that aside did you not notice DL is adding aircraft to the fleet for a net gain of hulls? They are taking all of AirTrns 717s and have 737-900 arriving in a few months. Yep they will furlough.

Guys please do your homework opposed to just repeating crap.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I know Red. That didn't last long did it? Oh well, didn't Delta get a fat new contract right before they furloughed in 2001? The concessions will, of course, come first though.

 

[Lear70]

Don't feed the troll...

 

[DeucesWild]

Whoever you guys are listening to I suggest you stop. Immediately.

You do know DL pilots just ratified a new agreement that went in to effect Jul 1 right? There was a 12% pay increase in the first year and overall the scope was tightened not to mention all of the other things that are triggered with scope, block hours and schedules with a furlough.

All of that aside did you not notice DL is adding aircraft to the fleet for a net gain of hulls? They are taking all of AirTrns 717s and have 737-900 arriving in a few months. Yep they will furlough.

Guys please do your homework opposed to just repeating crap.

Hook, line, and sinker....

Tanker - you always manage to evoke a chuckle from me (one of the reasons I stop by FI now and then)!

 

[Redtailer]

Don't feed the troll...

Yep, you right... I'm done..

 

[waveflyer]

I'd beg to differ on the scope "tightening" but im pretty sure everyone knows what I think of that

 

[xjhawk]

Delta is roughly 3% overstaffed, but retirements in the next 2 years should take care of that.

Now, listen very carefully.

THERE
WILL
NEVER
BE
A
PILOT
SHORTAGE
AT
THE
MAJOR
AIRLINE
LEVEL



EVER.


There will likely be a shortage at the Regional level in 5-7 years, but who wants those jobs for a career? Once you take out the 50-seat jet market as those leases expire over the next 5-7 years, with those pilots going to the Majors as the Majors start retiring large numbers of pilots, you have even-numbers for a while... Fewer needed at the regional level but people moving on to Major jobs so it mostly equals out.

Then when the Regionals are done shrinking their 50-seat fleet, as long as unions stop giving up Scope, the Majors will still be steadily retiring folks from age 65, and will take the experienced Regional Captains.

There will always be enough of those to feed the Majors.

The Regionals will then have trouble staffing the right seat at the crap wages they pay, and you'll see the RAA screaming bloody murder (they already are) that with the new regs in place, they can't staff.

But you'll never see it at the Major level. You just won't. Anything else is a Kit Darby pipe dream...

Replace the red highlighted area with "The majors will be taking young inexperienced pilots that HR is looking to meet its quota or who have great internal recommendations". Or "the majors will be excluding any with too much experience (rumor about Delta's Airapps will not even look at your resume if you have over 7500 hours) or is too old as HR has done studies about the great abilities and trainability of those right out of flight school"

Yeah, this is a hook line and sinker thread, quite enjoyable to read. But the truth of the matter is that there are what, an expected 10,000 mainline jobs coming in the next ten years? Great, there just happens to be 20,000 regional pilots. And with Comair (Delta) putting 600 out on the street and you can look at Pinnacle and see there will be about another 1000 more by 2015 there will be a lot more applicants for those jobs. I love how the majors will lower their hiring minimums to hire the inexperienced but will not over look the lack of currency for those who have lost their jobs.

If you are at a major, why not ask why your HR departments are not taking the best most qualified, but are just lowering the bar in order to get the "ones they want"

 

[JokerFuel]

I honestly wasn't trying to start any rumours. A friend of mine is a very senior Delta captain. It must have been speculation, or I misunderstood. So I guess that's me...starting rumours. Apologies gents. The best to us all.