So..the pilot shortage is coming?

[Lear70]

So the question becomes; will the membership support expending negotiating capital on an issue that doesn't help the people already on the property but benefits the "unborn?" I don't know the answer to that question but I can make an educated guess based on historical precedent

LOL... nice, and unfortunately true.

 

[pilotyip]

LOL... nice, and unfortunately true.

so it is not management, it is those greedy senior union members, the guys who built up the union and pay most of the dues who are at fault.

 

[Lear70]

so it is not management, it is those greedy senior union members, the guys who built up the union and pay most of the dues who are at fault.

Well, there you go on a tangent again.

I'll break it down for you: either management agrees to not save as much money on 1st year pay to offset training costs (which makes the balance sheet look worse at the end of the year which affects stock price), or the existing pilots (senior guys and gals) agree to give up something that will benefit them to make it more enticing for management to do so for people who aren't even on property yet.

The money is there, you're not increasing the size of the pie, you're just going to have to bargain for it. Something I think ALPA should focus on given the state of the industry the last 12-15 years and the musical airlines some pilots have to play.

Then again, in the future, it will probably be easier for pilots to go to one Major and have a furlough-free career, barring some world disaster. We are the "lost" generation of pilots: those who didn't benefit from the high salaries that came with regulation nor benefited from the massive hiring later and have suffered through 9/11 and two major recessions, one in the late 90's and one over the last 5 years or so.

It is what it is, and through all the ups and downs, don't know if I'd have picked a different career.

 

[jonjuan]

Fwiw, in 2013, DAL is $66 year one and $97 year two. Are they already there?

 

[Twisted Mind]

Yip, In this case I agree with you. At times the Union is it's own worst enemy.

 

[Denizen]

Almost a reasonable post that market forces and the pressure to maintain profitability drive pilot wages. Except a little name calling, but hey it is FI. This board is guilty of "group Think" of the underpaid overworked pilot. Anyone who posts the reality outside of that "group think" has to be attacked.

Wouldn't be FI without a little name calling. I know you like living there, but lets face it-it sucks. However putting the smack down on pilots, that is something all MGT can get behind. It is easy and yields instant results. JUS should cut the pay of the top half of the seniority list. Why not, they can't leave. Think of the bonus available for mid-managment.

 

[pilotyip]

Wouldn't be FI without a little name calling. I know you like living there, but lets face it-it sucks. However putting the smack down on pilots, that is something all MGT can get behind. It is easy and yields instant results. JUS should cut the pay of the top half of the seniority list. Why not, they can't leave. Think of the bonus available for mid-managment.

Fits perfectly, I post outside of "Group Think" and I am attacked. BTW You show you may have upper management potential with those thoughts

 

[atpcliff]

Just saw an ad for China...used to be they only hired Captains for the contract jobs..this one was hiring Capts, Cruise Captains, AND FOs.

Also saw a new ad for small Airbus captains at up to 20K/month, plus bonuses, overtime, etc. I have seen more than 3 places hiring at $20K/month...up from $12K 3-4 years ago.

cliff
GRB

 

[Lear70]

It's going to get better for us (worse for them) in the next few years, barring some economic crisis.

We have several of our AirTran Captains planning to leave for these jobs and not come back. They are 50 or so with no hope of ever seeing the Captain's seat again. Can't really blame them.

 

[Denizen]

Fits perfectly, I post outside of "Group Think" and I am attacked. BTW You show you may have upper management potential with those thoughts

I hope so! It feels good to be on the winning side.