So much for strike leverage at DAL

[whymeworry?]

Whymeworry?.

"DAL will still be around, whether the pilots strike or not."

Delta will be around if the pilots strike? Are you kidding me? Gone. They haven't been able to train any replacements for the PRPs since last Summer (only 200 pilot trainings). And the ASA pilots will NOT be allowed to fly any of the Delta routes because they are ALPA too. So, unless you have a bunch of connections from Lynchburg to Baton Rouge, I think it will sink. I hope it doesn't get to that, but you never know....


Bye Bye--General Lee

General, you're missing my point. If the pilots strike, while it may shut DAL down for while, it will not shut DAL down for good. Sooner or later the pilots and management will salvage what is left and pick up the pieces and rebuild the airline. The point is, strike or no strike, DAL is too big to just vanish into thin air. I agree with you that no pilots will be able to replace y'all. But telling the pilots that their actions will force the carrier to liquidate is, IMHO, meritless and a scare-tactic at best.

There is no question about it, DAL will be severely scarred by a strike. But even if it took the courts to fire the entire mgmt team during a strike, eventually the pilots will return and the big D machine will spool up again. Certainly not as big as it once was, but it will not die overnight either.

Just doesn't happen that way. Too many complicating factors, too many interests to allow a sudden death.

 

[General Lee]

General, you're missing my point. If the pilots strike, while it may shut DAL down for while, it will not shut DAL down for good. Sooner or later the pilots and management will salvage what is left and pick up the pieces and rebuild the airline. The point is, strike or no strike, DAL is too big to just vanish into thin air. I agree with you that no pilots will be able to replace y'all. But telling the pilots that their actions will force the carrier to liquidate is, IMHO, meritless and a scare-tactic at best.

There is no question about it, DAL will be severely scarred by a strike. But even if it took the courts to fire the entire mgmt team during a strike, eventually the pilots will return and the big D machine will spool up again. Certainly not as big as it once was, but it will not die overnight either.

Just doesn't happen that way. Too many complicating factors, too many interests to allow a sudden death.

Well, I don't want a strike to happen, but it would crush Delta almost right away. We don't have the cash on hand to handle a prolonged strike, and it is very doubtful that "pilots would just come back." Without the ok of the union, they would be called SCABS. Very few would do that, if any. Delta needs to come to the table and actually negotiate. Going to the judge to get the contract thrown out might have seemed like a good idea at first, but then they met the judge, and she can see through their testimony. It may never even get to that point, and the judge may decide what happens, and so far it seems like she is having fun in court with the company's lawyer and testimony. We'll see, but I really hope there is a negotiated settlement that is fair.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[whymeworry?]

General.... Brother, You're preaching to the choir!

Nobody on this board thinks what DAL mgmt is doing as wise. And if I were in your shoes I wouldn't want to strike either... nor would I work without a NEGOTIATED contract, hence a strike may be coming if mgmt doesn't get it's head out of it's own ass!

 

[General Lee]

General.... Brother, You're preaching to the choir!

Nobody on this board thinks what DAL mgmt is doing as wise. And if I were in your shoes I wouldn't want to strike either... nor would I work without a NEGOTIATED contract, hence a strike may be coming if mgmt doesn't get it's head out of it's own ass!

Good, I couldn't tell where you were coming from for a while there. Yeah, I hope it all works out, but we have to be prepared if it does not. Fingers crossed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Close, but not quite. What you're referring to is a Presidental Emergency Board (PEB). An employee group operating under a CBA that falls under the guidelines of the RLA may seek 'self help' (strike) at the end of the cooling off period when a mediator declares an impass in negotiations on a contract that became ammendable.

That is not what is going on here.

IMO, this would not apply if the 1113c hearing is sucessful for Delta. Delta management wishes to toss out the CBA, effectively ending Delta pilot represention. In essence, if the labor contract is cancelled, the pilots really would not be striking, they would simply be walking off the job, and the PEB would be able to prevent that.

No one group can have it both ways.

RLA, Early 20th century rules for a 21st century industry. The way this is headed mind as well dig up the old choo choo hats out of the dusty footlocker.