So Im watching Frontier Flight Attendant School on the Travel ,,,,,,,

[sweptback]

Just a question-

why is Frontier F9 and Jetble B6?

Why not FR or BL?

The codes are assigned by IATA to be used world-wide and the whole system was set up before the mass explosion of airlines that we have now. Airlines such as United and Delta got codes that make sense (UA and DL) because they have been around forever. Newer airlines (relatively) such as Comair and AirTran got codes that are loosely related (OH and FL), while some got relatively random codes (Southwest - WN). Once they ran out of letters, they started using numbers with a letter. Now they've basically ran out of codes and have begun to assign multiple airlines the same code, as long as they fly in separate geographical areas.

 

[commuterpuke]

Like all of us I wanted the uniform, to fly a cool jet as quick as possible, to feel equal to my friends, have hot chicks look at you during boarding while you flip switches and look cool, and all that other stuff

 

[coogebeachhotel]

B6 came from the first revenue flight from Jfk to FLL arriving at gate B6...that simple

 

[Green]

I think this is somewhat typical of all FA training. Hell in Singapore they give the FA a dress size for her career. You gain you go. You get pregnant you go. You 30 you go.

what is wrong with that? Seems like the rest of the world Asia, Europe, South America, and Austrailia have gorgeous FA's but here in the good ol' USA we seem to prefer hiring fat grandmas with an attitude.

That has probably done more to kill the glamour of aviation than anything else. A place like Hooters can go and intentionally hire women based on looks but if an airline tries that in the US they get slapped with a lawsuit. Too bad...

 

[lifeguard]

I personally know someone in that class that my wife talks to on a regular basis and apparently they hired people they wouldn't normally hire to make for a good show and also they added some extra stuff..such as going to the mountains... to the class that isn't normally part of FA training just for the show.

 

[ERfly]

Taking a date to a wedding is like bringing a deer carcass along on a hunting trip……

Deer carcus? That's the metaphor you're going with?

 

[skiav8tor]

B6 came from the first revenue flight from Jfk to FLL arriving at gate B6...that simple

I'm fairly certain that our first revenue flight was JFK-BUF. Someone please correct me if I am mistaken...

 

[Av8rPHX]

That chick in charge is on a total ego trip. It looks like she likes firing people. She actually seemed eager to volunteer to fire the guy.

What does she do if her husband comes home late from work, or forgets to take out the trash?

She does nothing, as she died a few weeks ago.

http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/flightattendant/tribute/tribute.html

 

[coogebeachhotel]

I'm fairly certain that our first revenue flight was JFK-BUF. Someone please correct me if I am mistaken...

Wrong



THE JETBLUE STORY:

JetBlue Airways took to the air on February 11, 2000 with the inauguration of service between New York City's John F. Kennedy International Airport and Fort Lauderdale, FL. The airline now serves 32 cities around the country and the Caribbean with a fleet of 68 new, environmentally friendly, Airbus A320 aircraft. Every JetBlue aircraft is outfitted with roomy all-leather seats, each equipped with the DIRECTV® System offering up to 36 channels of DIRECTV® programming.
JetBlue's origins date back to 1993, when CEO David Neeleman sold his first airline, Salt-Lake City based Morris Air, to Southwest Airlines. It was as a founder and President of Morris Air that Neeleman proved that innovative, high-quality airline service coupled with low fares will attract a strong and loyal market.
Following the sale of Morris Air, Neeleman went on to help launch WestJet, a successful Canadian low-fare carrier, and to develop the e-ticketing system he had implemented at Morris Air into Open Skies, the world's simplest airline reservation system. Neeleman sold Open Skies to Hewlett Packard in 1999.
With three successful aviation businesses under his belt, Neeleman decided the time was right to bring his airline formula to the world's largest aviation market, New York City. In July 1999, having secured a hand-picked management team and $130 million in capital funding from investors such as Weston Presidio Capital, George Soros and Chase Capital, Neeleman surprised the aviation industry with the announcement of his plan to launch a new airline that would bring "humanity back to air travel."

 

[Stifler's Mom]

what is wrong with that? Seems like the rest of the world Asia, Europe, South America, and Austrailia have gorgeous FA's but here in the good ol' USA we seem to prefer hiring fat grandmas with an attitude.

That has probably done more to kill the glamour of aviation than anything else. A place like Hooters can go and intentionally hire women based on looks but if an airline tries that in the US they get slapped with a lawsuit. Too bad...

I happened to walk by a crew of Virgin Atlantic Flight Attendants recently, and I damn nearly walked into a pole as I walked by. My wife was with me and even noticed how attractive they were and said to me "I'm glad your company doesn't hire Flight Attendants like that."

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Pretty common occurance in FA classes I think. I know as pilots we get away with a lot more in training than the F/A's do. You have to remember that these are people that in many cases know noting about airplanes and can barely identify one sitting at the gate.

A pilot in new hire class has spent years (well maybe months in an RJ class now!) training and flying, they for the most part are driven to succeed. While you will see pilots "cut up" some in class from time to time, what you never see is them arrive late, and you almost never see a pilot fail out of a 121 course due to performance issues. Pilots for the most part will go without sleeping or eating before they risk failing a written or not knowing the required information. From what I have seen, F/A hopefuls contain many who are simply there because they think it will be a "hoot" to travel. Many go in thinking that it is a cake job and do not put up any effort. So the weeding out process is necessary to ensure that the ones that really want to be there are the ones that stay.

 

[canyonblue737]

Kerosene hit it on the head. The pilots at major airlines by and large have years or decades of experience and have earned the respect not to be handheld or to have petty rules thrown in your face. The FAs often have zero experience in the airline industry or in safety critical positions. That is why the initial training is so very tough in terms of rules etc. Once they are off probation recurrent is nothing like that and is laid back like pilot initial. It isn't because FAs are irresponsible, in fact they have such a critical job this is one of the only ways to make sure when taking zero time FAs to a jet you know they have personal responsibility.

 

[Diesel]

wow she died? Talk about karma

 

[AKAAB]

wow she died? Talk about karma

Not cool, dude. You gave up a few of your own karma points with that insensitive and tasteless remark. I hope it doesn't turn back on you...

She was doing her job and seemed to try to express some compassion while enforcing the rules. Yes, people get fired and sometimes it doesn't seem fair, but nobody in that class should be surprised when they get released after being clearly given the rules.

 

[skiav8tor]

Coogle,

Thanks...I am familiar with the "JetBlue Story"...although I couldn't remember the first city pair, and none of my crashpad-mates had a memory much better than me...I'm not sure where I got the BUF idea...none-the-less, thanks for the correction.

 

[Diesel]

While I agree with her firing the other girls but the girl that got locked out. WTF is that. Her intention was to show up on time but was unable due to being locked out.

Karma is a bitch

 

[maru657]

Kerosene hit it on the head. The pilots at major airlines by and large have years or decades of experience and have earned the respect not to be handheld or to have petty rules thrown in your face. The FAs often have zero experience in the airline industry or in safety critical positions. That is why the initial training is so very tough in terms of rules etc. Once they are off probation recurrent is nothing like that and is laid back like pilot initial. It isn't because FAs are irresponsible, in fact they have such a critical job this is one of the only ways to make sure when taking zero time FAs to a jet you know they have personal responsibility.

Actually that's not so. During the 60's with the explosion in hiring due to the influx of jet aircraft, Airlines started hiring lots of military trained pilots. Many of these people had far less than a thousand hours of actual flight time. Most of their time was in simulators. Since the military dosen't fly into areas of "boxed" weather, this led to the re-discovery of such things as windshear by crews with no exposure to such weather phenomena.

 

[Blue Dude]

Actually that's not so. During the 60's with the explosion in hiring due to the influx of jet aircraft, Airlines started hiring lots of military trained pilots. Many of these people had far less than a thousand hours of actual flight time. Most of their time was in simulators. Since the military dosen't fly into areas of "boxed" weather, this led to the re-discovery of such things as windshear by crews with no exposure to such weather phenomena.

This completely misses the point that major airline pilot newhires by and large are very serious about the job and don't need Mickey Mouse rules to keep their noses to the grindstone. And I'd be willing to bet that your sub-thousand hour pilots didn't have a problem being late to class, no matter their real-world experience.

 

[tubelcane]

I flipped to that last night and my wife just about fell out of bed laughing at the ones when they were doing their speeches. What was with the pacing dude and the chick who couldn't look at the interviewers? We got a good laugh out of it anyway. Ok go ahead, insert your jokes about my wife laughing in bed here.

 

[sweptback]

B6 came from the first revenue flight from Jfk to FLL arriving at gate B6...that simple

While that may be, JetBlue would have been assigned their IATA code prior to that flight.

 

[warbirdfinder]

So far they have fired 2 people in the first 10 min of the show for being 4 minutes late to class from break, and 1 guy got fired for not answering the phone so they could tell him he needed a hearing test. Frontier looks like alot of BS.

This is typical of the attitudes the airlines have of the F/A's in training. From the beginning it is all about control, "we can do anything, anytime we want and you are at our mercy.

My wife went through training at Braniff and United in the 1960's. On the last day, the day of graduation, one F/A was fired from each class on the morning of graduation. My daughter trained at American and Southwest in the 1990's; the same thing happened, only two were fired each time. This was after all the F/A's had been told they passed and would graduate, their uniforms had been purchased and friends and family had flown in to see them graduate. The excuse was, " we reevaluated all of the class and you didn't measure up".
Great way to increase morale and loyalty!!!!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

My daughter trained at American and Southwest in the 1990's; the same thing happened, only two were fired each time. This was after all the F/A's had been told they passed and would graduate, their uniforms had been purchased and friends and family had flown in to see them graduate. The excuse was, " we reevaluated all of the class and you didn't measure up".
Great way to increase morale and loyalty!!!!

Uh oh, you're gonna have to suffer the wrath of SWA/FO for speaking negativley about Southwest. Good luck.

 

[lifeguard]

Uh oh, you're gonna have to suffer the wrath of SWA/FO for speaking negativley about Southwest. Good luck.

HAHAHA I was thinking the same thing. He gets very defensive about his company.

 

[flyAA]

I have to say that as far as terminating trainees during training as Frontier does is very typical. I'm a FO for a regional airlines and I have seen the both sides of the door. I went through AA F/A training in the late 90's. My class started with 61 people and graduated 48! There were at least 2 tests a week (written/oral/evacuation drill) for the duration of the training (6 and 1/2 weeks). AA had a policy, "3 strikes you are out". As someone mentioned, F/A trainees come from all sorts of background. That's so true. It is a weed out process.

 

[COpilot]

Hey,

Is SWA/FO the same guy that writes about all of his flights on Airliners.net in there trip report section. I guess I should'nt laugh at him, I keep reading them!!!

I really like the one with a picture of himself in the water off the coast of Mexico. To funny,, LOL!

If you want take a read at their website, his handle is Seven3seven. His thread is SWA pilot report #5

 

[airlinepilot]

Attn Maru657

Your statement:

Actually that's not so. During the 60's with the explosion in hiring due to the influx of jet aircraft, Airlines started hiring lots of military trained pilots. Many of these people had far less than a thousand hours of actual flight time. Most of their time was in simulators. Since the military dosen't fly into areas of "boxed" weather, this led to the re-discovery of such things as windshear by crews with no exposure to such weather phenomena"

While the training I have had in the airline industry is good.....is doesn't come close to the intensity and repetition that I had in the military. Also, where do you do come away thinking we never had flights into areas of "boxed weather"....looking at your experience I would say you clearly don't know what we military guys did or did not do. That statement is simple not true...

Regarding training in the military vs the airlines:
The training the airlines gives you in a simulator yearly (which is in a simulator) I had 5 times the amount of sim training in the military yearly, and then had a monthly training flight in the aircraft practicing all types of approahes, landings, lost of engine approaches, go arounds....
Airline training due to $$$$ is minimal compared to the military.

 

[Diesel]

eeeech

Those that train and those that do.

 

[JerkyHerky]

My company doesn't have F/As, (a few of the Flt Eng. shave their legs, though, and boy can they pour a mean cup of coffee) but if I had a dollar for every time I've been in a hotel lobby and watched a pax crew 5 min after show time wonder where the hell that last one (or two ) F/As were, and then have the offending parties finally saunter in with that "why is everyone giving me that "where have you been""? look I'd be as rich as an airline executive. Obviously punctuality and responsibility are not core values at every airline.

I remember having the same problem with navigators in a previous life too.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

what is wrong with that? Seems like the rest of the world Asia, Europe, South America, and Austrailia have gorgeous FA's but here in the good ol' USA we seem to prefer hiring fat grandmas with an attitude.

That has probably done more to kill the glamour of aviation than anything else. A place like Hooters can go and intentionally hire women based on looks but if an airline tries that in the US they get slapped with a lawsuit. Too bad...

All the more reason to try to get on with Virgin... Where Richard Branson personally hires all the FA's. Fat and old hags need not apply.
Can't wait till Virgin America finally flies.... just hope some jackarse lawyer doesn't take the fun out of the place first.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Can't wait till Virgin America finally flies.... just hope some jackarse lawyer doesn't take the fun out of the place first.

WMUSIGPI,

Download yourself a few of these Sexual Harassment Consent Forms. I have a funny feeling you will be needing them.