SMS Implementation

[G3G4]

For you guys out there who don't have one already implemented where are you going to have a manual made up for your operation? And have you been audited yet by IS-BAO? How was the process?

 

[stupidpilot]

We got a generic IS-BAO SMS here for $950:

http://www.ibac.org/is_bao/ordering-is-bao

Haven't done the audit yet.

 

[PilotKitch]

With regard to the IS-BAO certification, I have been told having this approval is like a charter company being ARGUS approved..... Doesn't really carry any weight and is just another multi-thousand dollar audit that is unnecessary?

Also, that having a SMS program in place is the only requirement for Europe not necessarily what is in the program.

 

[TigerDriver]

we went through a vendor, implemented an SMS, went through the IS-BAO audit, got the certificate on the wall. The idea of a safety management system is "blessed" by upper management but at the first intersection of safety vs. mission accomplishment, the mission takes priority. PM if you want any specifics....

 

[stupidpilot]

With regard to the IS-BAO certification, I have been told having this approval is like a charter company being ARGUS approved..... Doesn't really carry any weight and is just another multi-thousand dollar audit that is unnecessary?

Also, that having a SMS program in place is the only requirement for Europe not necessarily what is in the program.

That is absolutely not true. The IS-BAO program it the one that has been accepted by ICAO as the defacto framework for a SMS. The SMS must conform to the IS-BAO standards in order to be approved for operations within Europe. The ICAO SMS standards are derived from a number of sources, predominantly ISO 9000.

Also, the audits are not that expensive if you find the right auditor. We were quoted on $2500-$3500. This is from an approved auditor that is authorized to issue the certification.

 

[siouxicide]

What about fltplan.com's program? http://www.fltsafety.com/SMSinfo.htm
I know little to nothing about all this except that ICAO countries are on board and we probably will be soon. Just another burden methinks. Next we'll have to get doctor's notes to go flying.

 

[G3G4]

We also bought the is-bao generic SMS manual and cd rom. Can we as a flight department use that manual as our own SMS or do we have to write our own manual based on that one for our company specific? We are 91 and only operate one airplane.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

We also bought the is-bao generic SMS manual and cd rom. Can we as a flight department use that manual as our own SMS or do we have to write our own manual based on that one for our company specific? We are 91 and only operate one airplane.

You dont need an SMS to go anywhere.

But yes, you can use this manual to develop an SMS of your own then get it audited if you desire "IS-BAO Certification"

Hopefully the FAA will have some guidance on this soon.

 

[G3G4]

You dont need an SMS to go anywhere.

But yes, you can use this manual to develop an SMS of your own then get it audited if you desire "IS-BAO Certification"

Hopefully the FAA will have some guidance on this soon.

Well I was under the impression you did need a SMS program in place by nov this year to operate in Europe, carribean, Mexico etc. Now i know its not a dead line etched in stone but.....

 

[wildbill]

Used the generic as a reference ,but created a SMS system using information the company had in place. Very time consuming. Audited by three firms, IS-BAO, ARG/US, & WYVERN. Passed all three. It is expensive. You can get an ICAO version on line for free, but very confusing. What else is new from Europe.