Smooth Stick

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Subject: passenger comfort---what pax "feels" vs what pilot feels in cockpit

Have observed over the years that if I am rough on the controls, what I feel in the cockpit
always seems magnified in the back (even rougher ride than mine). Am told this is NOT true
in a Falcon 10 due to the relationship of axis and CG.

Do you buy this? Your thoughts and aerodynamic assessment please!

THANKS!

 

[501261]

Sounds like someone's trying to sell you a Falcon, did he also mention it makes you taller and wealthier also?


In my experience the ride's "magnified" in the back, is the Falcon 10 any different? Who knows

 

[Flying Illini]

I've only flown in it from the front seats so I guess I'm no help. It seems that whatever happens to you up front is magnified in the back, i.e. turbulence. However, the bumps (pilot induced or otherwise) may be magnified less than on other aircraft. Be smooth and it's not a problem!

 

[Lead Sled]

I've wondered this myself. Over the years, I've been able to take my wife with me on many trips and I've asked her how the rides/landings were. (She's never been bashful about "critiquing" my flights. ) With few exceptions, she rated the rides and landings higher than I did. I've noticed the same thing when talking with the passengers after the flight - most passengers are amaized how smooth our "little" bizjets are. I've come to the conclusion that we frequently are our own worst critics.

It not a difficult thing to give a better ride than our airline brothers; but we have to work at it by, whenever possible, making smooth control inputs, limiting our bank angles and making our "inflight" power changes smooth and "imperceptable". I've seen a lot of "passenger comfort" issues created or magnified by improper or misuse of the flight control/FMS systems - take the time to read the manuals - the new digital equipment is capable of amazingly smooth manuevers (better than any of us can hand fly) IF it is programed and operated properly.

Lead Sled

 

[some_dude]

I had a Westwind brochure which claims that due to the mid-wing configuration, turbulence is less noticeable in a Westwind (the theory was that the wing was about at the level of the passenger's eardrum-- I think they even had a little graphic illustrating this dubious idea).

Still, have to give the copywriter credit for originality!

 

[501261]

I had a Westwind brochure which claims that due to the mid-wing configuration, turbulence is less noticeable in a Westwind (the theory was that the wing was about at the level of the passenger's eardrum-- I think they even had a little graphic illustrating this dubious idea).

Still, have to give the copywriter credit for originality!

I'd love to hear that writer's reasoning for the Westwind's "Extra firm landing"

 

[cptsesso]

"I'd love to hear that writer's reasoning for the Westwind's "Extra firm landing""

Landings can be smooth, you just have to learn the plane's quirks. But, there is always the "strut flexer" on occasion.

 

[falconpilot]

Regarding the Falcon 10 theory...... I would have to call "B.S." on that. However, the center of gravity (if I remember correctly) is right behind the couch in the aft of the cabin ( or maybe its right in front of the couch).... Anyhow.... I dont think that has anything to do with being able to be rough and get away with it. I'm sure that everyone always trys to be smooth on the controls. I know that if I can feel it up front I just assume that they can feel it more in the back. But everyone knows that for the most part the passengers only remember the landing.

 

[suen1843]

["Landings can be smooth, you just have to learn the plane's quirks. But, there is always the "strut flexer" on occasion."]

Landing smoothly in a WW is easy. All you have to remember is that when the mains touch down you have to have the nose gear EXACTLY 9 and 3/32 inches above the pavement. Not 9 and 1/8...exactly 9 3/32.