SLI. What's fair and equitable.

[V1 Rotate]

I started this thread in an effort to help stop an integration by DOH, period. It didn't work.

Also, for the record I never said "stfu"to anyone on this thread. I just stated, "its over, let's move on".

My two cents...

I do feel we should move on, however, this SLI shouldn't be forgotten. Our leadership (Flex) didn't properly represent those in my seniority range. As a result and due to this, we took a large hit, and really, the only hit at Flexjet. But remember what Doh so eloquently stated, "we were statistically insignificant". You win some and you lose some.

Now it's done and I have to live with it, but again, the only thing I can do is remember this particular SLI when the opportunity comes to kick the Flex leadership out and replace them with a leadership that will stand on principle in defense of their own during negotiations, you know, like the Flight Options committee did with their own.

Btw, I don't buy the "arbitrator was biased towards doh" excuse that's being used for basically screwing us.

That's all I have to say. Move on.

Apparently, you missed my "list of facts" a few posts earlier and/or you refuse to contact one of the SLI members to get further details.

 

[el raton]

Apparently, you missed my "list of facts" a few posts earlier and/or you refuse to contact one of the SLI members to get further details.

No, I didn't miss your "list of facts". I agreed with a lot of what you wrote. However, in your "list of facts" you listed an opinion (shown below in quotes) as a fact and this opinion is where you and I disagree.

60 pilots, 134-193, who took the brunt of the loss. Unavoidable due to the massive hiring bubble of Options to Flexjet between 2000-2003 of 225-47 pilots.

You stated "unavoidable". How so? If you're in favor of DoH, I guess. Obviously I wasn't in favor of DOH. We could have easily used several different methods to integrate these flex pilots with group in the hiring bubble. The truth is, we weren't worth the trouble to make this an issue in the negotiations, we were "statistically insignificant"!


Yes, this may have sent the whole thing to arbitration, but maybe not. We'll never know. And if it had gone to arbitration, you're assuming the arbitrator's view of the aviation industry would have been the same as the educational industry's view of seniority. Again, we'll never know. I'd rather be pissed at an arbitrator than my own coworkers.

I'm done V1. I accept what was forced on me and I'll move on. All I ask for those who gained at Flex, please thank one of the insignificants, they'll appreciate it.

 

[doh]

El raton, what I said was a variation of 5% or less is statistically insignificant. What you are attempting is to put words in my mouth which I never said. The real question here is the pilots affected by more than that. Should this have gone through the risk of arbitration over that group? Clearly you believe no amount of risk would be too great, as long as you might come out a little ahead. The committee didn't have the luxury of deciding based on one person's placement. They had to do what was right for the pilot group as a whole.

 

[V1 Rotate]

El,

You have no idea what went on in those negotiations, especially when it came to your group. There were a many of conference calls, spreadsheets, scenarios, you name it, that went on for longer than I care to repeat to try and fix your area. And truth be told, I could fix your situation with a few keystrokes, which we did, but the effect of that wasn't acceptable to the other side. The massive hiring between 2000-2003 by Options compared to us, as stated above, was the problem area from day one. Think of it as a balloon. When you squeeze one end of it, there's an effect at the other. Squeeze that section down and the problem arises elsewhere. The proverbial dog tail, if you will.

On the arbitration argument, we weren't willing to risk the entire pilot group. What if it had been a straight DOH by her? Then you'd fussing because we gave up and now look what happened, right? Right. That's 100% what the entire pilot group would've accused us of, and rightfully so. I'm sorry that you feel you were sacrificed but I assure you it wasn't intentional. We fought hard for you guys and I sleep fine at night knowing we went to the limit for you. I'm sure you know well who I am and there's a good chance we've talked since last week. Feel free to call me anytime.

 

[el raton]

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[Imissmypilot]

One of the things that is making people nervous and continuing the angst is the idiots who are spouting the company is right sized at 450 pilots.

450 during July maybe. But certainly not any other time of the year. We might be a tad captain heavy but if anything we are seriously short on manpower.

We need to remember to do our jobs, no more and no less. Doing anything else might just make you responsible for pilots on the street while uncle lines his pocket with their tailings.

That's uncle for you, digging for gold with human shovels. Don't forget that and you won't ever be at a loss for whose fault this whole debacle belongs to.

 

[doh]

Go to the Flexjet website. Check the press releases. If those aren't straight up lies, we should be hiring. "Strong demand", "accelerated deliveries". Also, from yammer: "We need to upgrade more of you". 450 is more like the number of First Officers we need, if the last two years aren't all a big sham.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I hear from many of my fellow pilots at Options that we are flying a record number of flights and hours per month. We have over a dozen green aircraft sitting with no pilots to fly them.

 

[shanes123]

Don't need more pilots..plenty here willing to break 14hr duty days, 10/24 restrictions. And fudge numbers on their post flights to make it all work. Something broke??? Oh I didn't see that till day 8 in the mx base we just landed at... More pilots then we need. The good ol Gitter done guys. Kenn's good little soldiers. Fly tired, hungry, sick and carry mx write ups. The one sky way

 

[el raton]

Don't need more pilots..plenty here willing to break 14hr duty days, 10/24 restrictions. And fudge numbers on their post flights to make it all work. Something broke??? Oh I didn't see that till day 8 in the mx base we just landed at... More pilots then we need. The good ol Gitter done guys. Kenn's good little soldiers. Fly tired, hungry, sick and carry mx write ups. The one sky way

Shane, why are you still here?

 

[shanes123]

Oh did I describe you El ?

 

[el raton]

Oh did I describe you El ?

No, I've accepted my fate.

Again, why are you still here?

 

[shanes123]

Cause I don't fly broke airplanes. Or tired, sick or hungry...question is how are you still here? Got a FO babysitting you or just lucky?

 

[el raton]

Cause I don't fly broke airplanes. Or tired, sick or hungry...question is how are you still here? Got a FO babysitting you or just lucky?

Both!

 

[doh]

Shanes, wtf are talking about now? You make no sense.