SkyWest voted no ALPA

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

Your user name suggests female....

If you decided to have a baby would you like three years off with your job secure when you came back... or do you like the 6 weeks... plus some FMLA...?

Simply put the Skywest pilots think market forces are fine.... they want to buffer zone, no protection...

unions are democratic protection zones... they are articfical counter forces to market forces.. unions don't control market forces but yet many think they do or should...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Skywest pilots do not need any ALPA merger policy in the way of their next acquisition. Skywest has $500M ready to use. ALPA would just mess it up.

Screw ALPA before they screw you. Ask the US Air guys what they think of ALPA merger policy.

Expectations not being met?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ASA better make sure that the wording of the scope against the parents company is airtight. If not the his just given SKW the green light to whipsaw the heck out of these two groups.
Best of luck. You will all need it.

 

[JohnQ]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Well if Jack London stated that then he was plain wrong (though I love his "Ode to a SCAB"). A scab is one thing and one thing only: a worker who performs struck work in defiance of the union's legal order to strike.

His "intentionally sold for less is a scab" accusation (if true) is ludicrous. Using that logic, we should all still be paying $400 for basic calculators that only do the four basic math functions--after all, no vendor should ever "undercut" their rivals with cheaper, more functional products, right? Or we should still pay $50 for ballpoint pens! Etc. etc. a million times over. That kind of thinking comes right out of Das Kapital, but shouldn't be even contemplated in a capitalist society.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Firstly, he didn't say "should never be hired."

Further, one can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as nobody knows who the 65% are. And it's difficult to broach such a subject in an interview, so the point is really quite moot.

But imagine yourself looking across the table at a pilot applicant, and there's a 65% chance he just told your union to get bent. How can there be any expectation of future unity? This guy is going to stand shoulder to shoulder with you on a picket line on a 0 degree day? It's difficult to picture.

Clever, classy name calling, by the way.

Card,
It's quite simple, implore ALPA national to have the SKYW OC list at a phone number that a hiring committee member can call as soon as he sees SKYW pilot on the application. A quick smoke break or trip to the head and dial will tell you who you are dealing with, name on list, interview away, not on list ?????, decide for him/her self. I agree ALPA is not perfect, but the alternative is far worse than any lacking ALPA national may have. Do you really want someone who is only out for himself and quite clueless on how to achieve that goal. ALPA is the vehicle that every single member can make sure that they get the very best deal personally. If we bargain together, we bargain from a position of strength, individually, management and their billion in the bank will preserve their position, and most likely better it.
PBR

 

[capt. megadeth]

Uh huh....And should you go to work for Frontier, you are directly helping management undercut fellow WN pilots by having less than Greyhound fares from Denver to Hartford, Oklahoma, Omaha, St. Louis, and Tulsa.

The words Southwest Airlines and predatory pricing are synonymous so WTF are you talking about?

Southwest is KING of undercutting....it's about time someone beats them at their own game.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well if Jack London stated that then he was plain wrong (though I love his "Ode to a SCAB"). A scab is one thing and one thing only: a worker who performs struck work in defiance of the union's legal order to strike.

His "intentionally sold for less is a scab" accusation (if true) is ludicrous. Using that logic, we should all still be paying $400 for basic calculators that only do the four basic math functions--after all, no vendor should ever "undercut" their rivals with cheaper, more functional products, right? Or we should still pay $50 for ballpoint pens! Etc. etc. a million times over. That kind of thinking comes right out of Das Kapital, but shouldn't be even contemplated in a capitalist society.

Thus.... companies should compete... not labor...

and yet that is what companies what us to do...

 

[120% Torque]

The major airline MEC's need to negotiate with their individual companies a policy that non Alpa airline pilots do not qualify for interviews. I guarentee the Skywests and Colgan weenies would then think a little harder on how they approach this issue.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA is currently working on fixing the FMLA law so that pilots and FA's will be included... another free ride for the SKYW and Colganites...

 

[capt. megadeth]

The major airline MEC's need to negotiate with their individual companies a policy that non Alpa airline pilots do not qualify for interviews. I guarentee the Skywests and Colgan weenies would then think a little harder on how they approach this issue.

I see your point however, people need to remember that there are people at these airlines that voted FOR the union.....you cannot screw them because the majority are bafoons.