SkyWest/Republic & Scope

[damnflyboy]

For all of the people trying to actually contribute to this thread I'll simply ask -

Would you rather fly for your current regional

or

Fly for Delta, United, Southwest etc that own the airframes. That's what General doesn't get.

Gup

I'd rather fly for option #2. But I can't with this current situation. If mainline guys want to stick to their guns with scope, then fine. But money is the ammo of this industry. You have to sacrifice something if you want to get your way. Cinching the rope-latter higher and higher to your tree-house club for the regional guys isn't the silver bullet.

My advice, for what it's worth-- take advantage of this pending pilot shortage. Get the line moving again.
1) Don't sell out on scope again (this may mean a pay/QOL stagnation or cut to stay competitive with discounters). This will allow you to grow.
2) Gobble up all of the "cheap labor" positions at the regionals. Hire like crazy, ideally from the bottom up. Because of the shortage, regionals will be forced to pay more for their labor because of ballooning initial training costs. This will also make regionals ultra-senior (and expensive).
3) Offer the new-hires a better salary. Again, this will take some wealth redistribution on pay-scale to put it bluntly.

The US is fat on pilots, but not for much longer. Until then, you have to pay the capitalism game right back at management. You can't just demand ransom without collateral. So you have to outfox them with sacrifice and unity. Of course, that is the gotcha. Sacrifice? Unity? What's that?!

Remember: "Look, without a hostage, there is no ransom. That's what ransom is. Those are the f-ing rules!" -Walter Sobchak

 

[the palm]

For all of the people trying to actually contribute to this thread I'll simply ask -

Would you rather fly for your current regional

or

Fly for Delta, United, Southwest etc that own the airframes. That's what General doesn't get.

Gup

ASA or Delta? ASA
ASA or United? ASA
ASA or Southwest? Southwest
ASA or FedEx? FedEx
ASA or UPS? UPS
ASA or American? ASA
ASA or CAL? ASA

My reasons for each differ a bit, but the general theme is starting over and becoming furlough fodder. I know the risks and with risks come rewards, but if it ain't broke....

 

[Dornier 335]

damnflyboy your avatar cracks me up! Where did you get it from?

On a serious note, ask all those mainline guys what the requirements were when they got hired. I bet you previous 121 PIC time wasn't required (and I am not referring to some hottie with double Ds). So, it's easy to point the finger at the regional guys and blame them for low-pay, scope etc. The majority just wants to pay their dues and move up (if there still is such a thing as an attractive airline job). If e.g the General or Scope hate RJs and the pilots flying them, how do they suggest getting the requirements in order to apply at Delta? Has mainline now become an exclusive club? What do you need to do then to get a job? Surrender one of your testicles?

Is there going to be a pilot shortage? Nah, maybe on the regional level, but not mainline.

 

[johnpeace]

Is there going to be a pilot shortage? Nah, maybe on the regional level, but not mainline.

Not yet...but all we're doing is kicking the can a few years down the road.

All of the 30-40 something yr. old regional captains they hire at DAL will hit the retirement age in 20-30 years. What happens when THEY leave?

 

[sayrejm]

The world will end in 2012. Why is everyone looking so far down the road ;-) <--- winky face = sarcasm

 

[Yuppyguppy]

ASA or Delta? ASA
ASA or United? ASA
ASA or Southwest? Southwest
ASA or FedEx? FedEx
ASA or UPS? UPS
ASA or American? ASA
ASA or CAL? ASA

My reasons for each differ a bit, but the general theme is starting over and becoming furlough fodder. I know the risks and with risks come rewards, but if it ain't broke....

DUMBEST POST OF THE DAY AWARD! By the way...you know nothing

 

[ASA_Aviator]

DUMBEST POST OF THE DAY AWARD! By the way...you know nothing

You can't judge someone else's decisions on where to work/not work. At least he is actually thinking about the pros/cons of all of the places instead of just making blind decisions. Believe it or not, there sometimes are great reasons to stay where you are if you're at a regional.

If you're a captain making low $90s, or a line check airman making a little over $110,000, you may not want to take that 50-60% pay cut for several years, flying reserve and bopping around on the bottom of a 12,000 pilot list.

 

[damnflyboy]

damnflyboy your avatar cracks me up! Where did you get it from?

It came to me in a dream. And by dream I mean reality.

I'm building a giant foam-mascot costume of the dreaded red arrow so I can rampage the private lives of those responsible. It will be purely therapeutic...stealing birthday cakes, disrupting children's softball games with a herd of ostriches, and popping out of the bedroom shadows screaming on anniversary nights.

 

[GuppyWN]

I can't see your trips but unless you're on reserve I don't want to hear it

Gup

 

[Medeco]

It came to me in a dream. And by dream I mean reality.

I'm building a giant foam-mascot costume of the dreaded red arrow so I can rampage the private lives of those responsible. It will be purely therapeutic...stealing birthday cakes, disrupting children's softball games with a herd of ostriches, and popping out of the bedroom shadows screaming on anniversary nights.

That's good. Maybe wear it to RGT class when SH shows or the crew room on a town hall day.

 

[Draginass]

Surrender one of your testicles?

DALPA's already sold both theirs to Anderson.

 

[Lear70]

Moderator Reviewed:

No violation of the ToS. Quit reporting things that aren't ToS violations.

Thanks,

/mod

 

[johnsonrod]

ASA or Delta? ASA
ASA or United? ASA
ASA or Southwest? Southwest
ASA or FedEx? FedEx
ASA or UPS? UPS
ASA or American? ASA
ASA or CAL? ASA

My reasons for each differ a bit, but the general theme is starting over and becoming furlough fodder. I know the risks and with risks come rewards, but if it ain't broke....

What? You are nuts. ASA over Delta? What are you smoking? Furlough fodder when they have more cash on hand than anyone else, and are in expansion mode with recent hiring and picking up MD90s? Throw in a bunch of retirements coming up from FNWA pilots, and I would say it is a fairly safe bet. I wish I could get an interview over there. You really don't know what you are talking about. The General is right to call you hairy palm.

 

[ePilot22]

The General is right to call you hairy palm.

Good to see that you made it to another general thread. You even capitalize his name. Cute.




eP.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Let's see here:

Days off I want - yes

Can bid holidays/weekends off - yes

Can bid decent trips - yes

Work with good people - yes

Happy with the size of my equipment - It's all how you use it.

Money - Could be more but it pays the bills and buys the toys

Any danger of furlough - friggin' remote

What does a "major" have to offer?