SkyWest Q400's

[PropPiedmont]

The quetions is what colors are they painted in? Horizon has 3 new 400's parked in the desert.

They're Horizon Q400s. Looks like new paint. College team liveries.

 

[flyingid]

One is Boise state airlplane. The others I was wondering if its in primer or actually painted green?

 

[propsarebest]

It is the U of O airplane.

 

[propsarebest]

I just found this...


http://www.airliners.net/photo/De-Havilland-Canada/1528470/L/

 

[Nevets]

And obviously neither do any of you. Considering your pay rates and work rules are no better.

Its not all about work rules and pay rates.

but they get the opportunity to pay for those same rates and rules...so it must be better.

Is this a chicken and egg argument?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

The above photo does appear to be one of the two parked in front of our hanger, the other is appears to be blue, white and orange. I haven't seen them up close, but they have been there for a few months. The word I have heard from a FED, our mechanics and the local chief pilot is that they belong to Horizon who is delaying delivery for some reason.

 

[JetSpeed219]

They don't want to take anymore until they sell some jets.

 

[Sioux115]

I just found this...


http://www.airliners.net/photo/De-Havilland-Canada/1528470/L/

I saw this on the IBT message board and I thought it was a joke! It must go along with Horizon's Q400 "green machine" propaganda.

If you guys ever get the chance to get close to one you'll see a fancy green sticker next to the door stating the Q400 has 30-40% less emissions and is 30-40% more fuel efficient. Compared to what? It doesn't tell you. It must mean that since it is broke a majority of the time it doesn't burn fuel which produces less emissions.

sioux

 

[Erlanger]

Here's the latest on the Skywest Q400s. United has asked Skywest to fly 11 Q400s out of LAX for them. Skywest says the crew and maintenance training and investment would not be worth it unless United gave them enough work to fly 40 of them. United has said they need to think about it, so for now it's all on hold. I'm sure United could find someone else to do the 11 Q400 flying.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Here's the latest on the Skywest Q400s. United has asked Skywest to fly 11 Q400s out of LAX for them. Skywest says the crew and maintenance training and investment would not be worth it unless United gave them enough work to fly 40 of them. United has said they need to think about it, so for now it's all on hold. I'm sure United could find someone else to do the 11 Q400 flying.

When does Mesa's DEN Dash8 contract expire?

 

[Dubya]

Here's the latest on the Skywest Q400s. United has asked Skywest to fly 11 Q400s out of LAX for them. Skywest says the crew and maintenance training and investment would not be worth it unless United gave them enough work to fly 40 of them. United has said they need to think about it, so for now it's all on hold. I'm sure United could find someone else to do the 11 Q400 flying.

I heard it was length of contract, not number of airframes. United wants 2 years and Jerry won't bring on a new airframe for a short contract. The only way they take on that number of aircraft is if they can sell CRJ100 and 200's.


W

 

[imacdog]

Emb120 + 5%
hell no!

Hey that's a better deal than when you guys decided to fly the larger jets for 0% more. You guys should have been happy with that offer.

 

[EL10]

The Q400 flown off the UAL seniority list would be a section one violation.

Those that don’t know what section one is at Skywest, that would be the labor protection section of a CBA.

 

[DoinTime]

The Q400 flown off the UAL seniority list would be a section one violation.

Those that don’t know what section one is at Skywest, that would be the labor protection section of a CBA.

Y'all clueless dumbasses out there better listen up here. Aircraft of a weight and capacity such as the Q400 cannot be outsourced under the United pilot contract. Give it up.

 

[Dubya]

The Q400 flown off the UAL seniority list would be a section one violation.

Those that don’t know what section one is at Skywest, that would be the labor protection section of a CBA.

Ahhh yes, section one of the good ole' CBA. That's what Tilton uses to filter his coffee with.


W

 

[strega7]

Y'all clueless dumbasses out there better listen up here. Aircraft of a weight and capacity such as the Q400 cannot be outsourced under the United pilot contract. Give it up.

From Contract 2003
1-K-10-a
Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft") other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five thousand (75,000) pounds;

Does the Q400 violate this?

 

[Erlanger]

Y'all clueless dumbasses out there better listen up here. Aircraft of a weight and capacity such as the Q400 cannot be outsourced under the United pilot contract. Give it up.

Didn't we hear that before about 50+ seater RJs?

 

[sitbackrelax]

From Contract 2003
1-K-10-a
Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft") other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five thousand (75,000) pounds;

Does the Q400 violate this?

Unfortunately, no it doesn't..............

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Q400 = 74 seats, MTOW 64,500. I keep hearing Lynx in talking to other airlines...who knows.

 

[EBE]

true... all I know they came to SAPA with a number and was told no.

SAPA is simply a company created illusion to make SkyWest pilots think they have some kind of bargaining capability. If SAPA comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. If the company comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. Some pilots like to say...."sapa did this, sapa did that." Newsflash....SAPA doesn't do sh*t. Maybe one day certain people will get the clue. Maybe forced flying of Q400s for dogsh*t pay will help. Skywest's purpose is to take care of itself and make money PERIOD. It would be nice if the pilot group would do the same by the best means possible.

 

[Dubya]

SAPA is simply a company created illusion to make SkyWest pilots think they have some kind of bargaining capability. If SAPA comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. If the company comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. Some pilots like to say...."sapa did this, sapa did that." Newsflash....SAPA doesn't do sh*t. Maybe one day certain people will get the clue. Maybe forced flying of Q400s for dogsh*t pay will help. Skywest's purpose is to take care of itself and make money PERIOD. It would be nice if the pilot group would do the same by the best means possible.

So how do you really feel about SAPA and Skywest? I mean, stop holding back and let it out. Supressing this anger will only lead to depression and a troubling crack addiction. It is best to let it out.

I find it very relaxing and peaceful to blurt out things like....Mesa sucks.

Hope this helps.


W

 

[EBE]

So how do you really feel about SAPA and Skywest? I mean, stop holding back and let it out. Supressing this anger will only lead to depression and a troubling crack addiction. It is best to let it out.

I find it very relaxing and peaceful to blurt out things like....Mesa sucks.

Hope this helps.


W

I don't dislike Skywest. Generally, I think the management group is highly competent and, with some things, fair minded. I also don't dislike the SAPA folks. I think they certainly try to do something. I'm just not confused about what SAPA is and what Skywest is. I believe the situation could be different/better. (Instead of seemingly getting worst)

 

[flyboyzz1]

I think if you take a look around even the organized airlines aren't getting any better...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I think if you take a look around even the organized airlines aren't getting any better...

It seems both Southwest and Alaska pilots managed to get nice raises and improvements in work rules and benefits too?...

 

[Bus-Driver]

SAPA is simply a company created illusion to make SkyWest pilots think they have some kind of bargaining capability. If SAPA comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. If the company comes up with something and it is adventageous to the company then it is made policy. Some pilots like to say...."sapa did this, sapa did that." Newsflash....SAPA doesn't do sh*t. Maybe one day certain people will get the clue. Maybe forced flying of Q400s for dogsh*t pay will help. Skywest's purpose is to take care of itself and make money PERIOD. It would be nice if the pilot group would do the same by the best means possible.

A little bitter are we?

 

[EBE]

A little bitter are we?

Sometimes. Thanks for asking.

 

[flyboyzz1]

It seems both Southwest and Alaska pilots managed to get nice raises and improvements in work rules and benefits too?...

I meant regionals...

 

[AEROSQUADRON69]

SAPA does make an effort. But I was told by another pilot, and will quote.

SAPA is like the U.N. They are there, but don't get much accomplished. It is a business and the company will do what it likes.

 

[dojetdriver]

It seems both Southwest and Alaska pilots managed to get nice raises and improvements in work rules and benefits too?...

In the case of Alaska, getting paid more money than what you were getting paid before is always good.

But when you compare that to their pre-concessionary contract, how much of a "raise" is it really?