Skywest Pay Agreement.

[Mickey Mouse]

To be fair, ALPA and the XJT MECs conducted thorough research on pay and work rules at other airlines, and then formulated the TA currently being voted on. The results of that research are below.

http://doodienoted.com/the-average-weight-of-your-dumps

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Which means doodie all, the current upgrade is at aprox 7 years. So come on over and swing the gear in an EMB120 for 2 years, and most likely never break guarantee. Sorry this is as weak as it gets. The SAPA Quislings never fail to deliver....

 

[JustaNumber]

This reeks as a move engineered by Ford & Harrison:

1. Keep pushing for a concessionary contract until the union gives in and allows a vote, both parties knowing it is not going to pass.

2. Offer SKYW incremental improvements in per diem and minimum day, and establish E170 rates (as well as raise Brasilia pay, which doesn't apply to us).

3. (Possibly) End the voting on the first TA early and...

4. Offer the same thing to XJT and have it get 51-60 percent of yes votes.

5. Since we have almost identical contracts (policy handbooks, whatever), merge both employee groups and get rid of unions.


Voila! Can I be a consultant too?


No...seriously, how do I apply?

I agree with all of this. There's no such thing as random timing when it comes to these things. I almost get the feeling they are fully expecting us to vote no, but our concessionary TA and status quo TA at SKYW are simply setting expectations in the basement for what we ultimately end up with. They would have been ecstatic if we had gone into this agreeing to current book, but that may be how this ends up.

I also agree that if SKYW's agreement is so profitable, then they have no excuse to not consider a complete merger. How many at XJT would consider the SAPA deal in exchange for one list? Since this will never be on the table, I call BS on management's assertions.

 

[centralpilot]

They never enforce our freezes on the ASA side anyway... They let people bid all over the place. Probably because they're too inept to figure out the awards with one more variable thrown into the mix!

Well, they tend not to enforce freezes when displacements are in the position notice. If you recall the first 3 position notices of 2013 upheld the seat locks. The most recent 2 had significant displacements out of ATL 200 CA. They tend to do this because when people are displaced the Company has to pay for moving expenses. If you drop fences and let people move voluntarily it tends to mitigate displacements and reduces exposure to moving expenses.

 

[russtgol]

Where is Nevets?

 

[Tarzan]

Nah you're the joke. WTF does it go down from what the rate is now, and then back up. Explain that one.

You must have eaten paint chips when you were little.

Your per diem on the CRJ is (and yes, you fly the CRJ) $1.65 and hour. The TA actually, follow me now, increases the CRJ per diem to 1.75. The means it is more than you have today. The ERJ guys lose a nickel.

You're pityful.

 

[difete]

I love lamp.

 

[Nevets]

If we pass this vote, then Expressjet has a leg to stand on with their new contract. Question is... Is it still concessionary in nature for them still? Dunno.

No, if you pass this, it will give management more leverage by using it against XJT (whipsaw). This pay proposal is worse than the TA and you are at profitable company. You would be agreeing to less while your company is actually making money. Not good for the XJT side. It will put more downward pressure on XJT. Whipsaw successful. Skywest pilots can help end that but rather not.

I also agree that if SKYW's agreement is so profitable, then they have no excuse to not consider a complete merger. How many at XJT would consider the SAPA deal in exchange for one list? Since this will never be on the table, I call BS on management's assertions.

I'll be willing to use different letters in the name of the association in exchange for one list.

Problem is that Skywest has to certify SAPA first.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

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Problem is that Skywest has to certify SAPA first.

The problem is SAPA, they spend more time with mgmt, than their co-workers. As a result the Stockholm Syndrome takes effect and they sell their souls for a few sheckles. No worries though, the crap pay package, coupled with the 7 year upgrade and the first 2 being locked into the EMB, means that the resumes will be choking the mail box, staffing will be interesting on the best of days and downright exciting on the others. It's like a car wreck, happening in slow motion.

 

[jetstream]

I have to laugh though. This incompetent mgt allows this to be announced prior to our vote. Brilliant! :laugh:

Think again. These people are NOT stupid. I have it from a good source that the SKW board had no idea this was coming out.

Think about this scenario: The president of SkyWest makes this announcement, just before our TA vote closes, without the BOD's knowledge. Why? We vote down the TA the result of which is the mainline carriers won't award us any CPA's due to labor being in dispute. That way SkyWest gets any new CPA's that come along.

 

[jetstream]

I was also told that when the SKW pay agreement came out XJT management said we'll give you guys that tomorrow if you want it. So tread carefully.