SkyWest paints optimistic picture for regionals

[WayBack]

Clearly Rez. doesn't know the definition of fascisim...His beloved Obama administration is pushing us closer to fascism....Since he doesn't respond to my posts anymore, would someone ask him if he even understands what fascism is?

It's probably not on his word of the day calendar.
So he's on amazon.com looking for calendar that has it.

 

[rtmcfi]

I googled your "sourcewatch.org, guess what I found? They are the offspring of a group called "the Center for Media and Democracy" whose stated goal is "to assist liberal and leftist grassroots citizen activism..." and "focusing largely on what it views as the transgressions of political conservatives."

So, I assume that you know that your getting your info from a communist front group. Of course you knew that.

So while you were being suckered by ActivistCash or one of Bermans other misleading websites, did you get ahold of DD? He is not in DEN, but you could still get ahold of him easily enough. Perhaps you could give him a ring while you are waiting to drop the brake to start getting paid while ramp is unclogging the shoe. Or you could text him while you try to figure out how much money you have lost since the ESPP went away. Those kind of numbers take a while to add up. Maybe while you are in ORD Deiceing, and not geting paid, you could get a Delta Radio patch to his cell. However you get his attention, please let us know how he feels about union representation. That was, afterall, the point of my post.

Since it appears you would rather post about my signature line, we will address that. You googled many sites castigating (that means saying bad things about) Sourcewatch. I am sure it would be easy for you to copy (CNTRL-C) and paste (CNTRL-V) them here for us to judge. You show me any relating to Karl Marx, and a Starbucks card will be in your file. They have decaf too, if that is what you prefer. Whatever keeps the worker bees producing for the beehive!

Untill you get back to us, here is my best guess about your source(s):
ActivistCash.com, or perhaps one of its ugly sisters, all run by Richard Berman. Google this: http://www.bermanexposed.org/facts. I sincerly hope you have ben honestly duped while trying to check out my signature line. I hope you are not a fellow pilot working to further the Ford and Harrisons agenda. Although, seeing how F&H have more than just a CDHDP in regards to insurance, I can see how the role of Judas would be tempting. Let us all know how that ESPP replacement plan works out. You are senior enough to avoid it, but I gotta go repo (for free) some planes for MX. I eagerly await your response.

 

[DCMartin]

Ask DD how much money he had to put up to get all that back. I'm guessing most on here don't have enough. While you are at it, ask him for his opinion on the Union subject.

P.S. The ex chief is still at OO.

Well according to the document it was 20k+ Which is still less than paying into a union for 15 years. Ive already saved 16K by not having to pay into one. And Im sure after going through what he did he would love a union in his back court to help him, thats human nature. Sorry for not being clear...I realize Tony's still here, however hes no longer in a position to fire pilot's.

 

[rtmcfi]

Well according to the document it was 20k+ Which is still less than paying into a union for 15 years. Ive already saved 16K by not having to pay into one. And Im sure after going through what he did he would love a union in his back court to help him, thats human nature. Sorry for not being clear...I realize Tony's still here, however hes no longer in a position to fire pilot's.

20k+ how much? That is a pretty open ended number. Could be 30, 40, maybe 50K. Would you have paid that much in 15 years? Regardless, are you in a position to front 20K today? Is the guy in the seat next to you? While you saved 16K in union dues, how much did you lose with the loss of the ESPP? Unless you were a moron who disliked free money, it was way more than 16K.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

It's probably not on his word of the day calendar.
So he's on amazon.com looking for calendar that has it.

Ok, I am coming lately to this discussion, but after reading the posts my curiosity must be satsified.

Do you work for an ALPA carrier?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Mr. CFI,

There are only three possibilities here;

1) You are naive and ignorant.

2) You are in denial.

3) You are dishonest.

I don't know which it is and I don't really care. I'm just glad I'm not you.

Have you never noticed communisms affection for "democracy"?

North Korea's official name would be "The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. East Germany was "The German Democratic Republic". Not much democracy actually takes place, but it's all for the people, right?

Communism is so antithetical to the principles this country was founded upon it is impossible to further the "Progressive" agenda without hiding it's true nature. Hence you get all kinds of euphemisms such as economic democracy, social justice, leveling the playing field. Who could be against democracy, justice and a level playing field?

That is until you pull back the curtain and see the little man pulling the levers.

I have no doubt that many of you sincerely want to make the world a better place, you would be what Stalin referred to as " Useful idiots".

Let me give you a little clue, "life isn't fair"! Never has been, never will be. Bad things happen to good people all the time and it isn't their fault. You will never change that. Get over it and grow up.

 

[Nevets]

More synergies expected between SkyWest and ASA

However, he added there was more opportunity to create ongoing efficiencies between SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast Airlines, saying the company has made mistakes since its 2005 acquisition of ASA. “There are still opportunities for integration benefits that will give us more optimal efficiencies than we have today,” he concluded.

The synergy that probably would create the most optimal efficiencies is the one they refuse to do.

I wish other airline management would pay attention to what SkyWest is doing, because them and Southwest now how to run a real airline.
When you run an airline the right way, there is no need for a worthless national union, say ALPA, example.

You mean like all the national unions on property at SWA, including SWAPA?

A good comparison would be the old ASA and the new ASA. A little change in corporate culture does wonders for the success of an airline.

The legacies could learn a thing or two.

And yet ALPA represents ASA pilots.

As much as I dont like what Skywest has done with our health care, and other internal issues, I have to give them a lot of credit for running a great company financially. Especially in this climate, they have produced profits and give dividends to investors. They are VERY SMART with their money and what they invest in and to their investors it does show. As for morale, it seems low with all the issues that need to be resolved and yet its a huge fight to change certain issues or even get mgmt to discuss them.

That is because there is not a bargaining agent recognized by the NMB that speaks on behalf of all the pilots with the backing of the RLA. In other words, they don't have to speak to any of you for anything.

Why would there be a shift of management when things are running well?
I see your point about ALPA being like insurance, and I agree. They are like "The General" insurance agency. Really cheap, doesn't cover as much as they claim, and when you need them the most...you can't get a hold of them. But hey, they have a really catching theme song, a cute little cartoon figure as a mascot and all the bright colors attract the kids.

I can see Prater as ALPA's mascot. Speaking of Prater, the only thing ALPA insures is Praters and Worthless's retirement fund. How do you justify paying them for the sloppy "work" they do.

ALPA does many things on a daily basis behind the scenes that help all pilots. Its not just when I pilot needs to be represented. In any case, I've never had a problem getting a hold of them?

Poor old Rez can't stand the Skywest success story...It really gets to him...Sad to see him so bitter about a successful company that treats it's employees well and still succeeds....

The ASA ALPA pilots like to hear these things from Skywest management...makes us smile too....Go Skywest...Don't worry about poor Rez....:laugh:

ASA is proof that SKW can have a union and still be treated well and have a good working relationship with management.

You're right...BOTH ALPA and Skywest management put out press releases that paint a rosy picture...The difference is that they usually come true for Skywest.....ALPA not so much....:laugh:

I know that not so rosy picture JA and BR painted for XJT. It didn't come true.

My favorite Rah Rah, Shish Boom Bah cheer from ALPA, has to be Prater's "We're taking it Back!" speech. The mouth breathers who watched in awe, as their Leader spoke to them, experienced goose bumps, followed by tears rolling down their cheeks and even a warm sensation in their trousers. The really believed that everything was going to turn around for the better.
It was that same week, Prater rallied the Spirit pilots, but completely ignored the Comair pilots we're getting hosed with more concessions.

Does anyone have a list of what Prater has Taken Back so far? Other than amending the way he is compensated, taking it the average of the Top 3....because this allows him to make more money.

I beleive his taking it back them is in reference to the bargaining cycle that was upcoming. Most airlines will be in section 6 negotiations in the next couple of years. He believes that with the airlines coming up first in their bargaining cycle that it will only help the next ones in line. Hawaiian and Alaska where the first two up. CAL is next.

The problem with that theory is that its still at the mercy of the economy, terrorists, pandemics, etc.

The FO's make the same as ASA and more than other CRJ pilots. Except for SkyWest pilots get to keep 2% of their paycheck.

And Skywest pilots ride the coat tails of ALPA pilots. Anyways, the effective dues rates is less than 2%.

Bwwwaaaahahahahahahah!!!!!

ALPA's calling card. I love it.

Join ALPA, or else! Great plan.

BTW, how'd that plan work out at SKYW?

Or else what? Have to pay tens of thousands (if you have it) to go to court and fight to get your job back? How did that plan work for DD and countless others that didn't have the money to fight? Great plan.

I don't get the point. The chief lost his job and the pilot got his back + 100K for back pay all wout 2000$ a year for lawyer insurance...i mean alpa.

ALPA is more than insurance. Plus, imagine others that are "disenfranchised" for lack of having money to fight this in court?

Because Skywest's mere existence disproves ALPA's version of reality and the way it's supposed to be. It really gets the cheerleaders' panties all in a wad. It's just not fair, dangit!!!

How is that? How does ALPA say its supposed to be?

Well according to the document it was 20k+ Which is still less than paying into a union for 15 years. Ive already saved 16K by not having to pay into one. And Im sure after going through what he did he would love a union in his back court to help him, thats human nature. Sorry for not being clear...I realize Tony's still here, however hes no longer in a position to fire pilot's.

And how much have you saved by not paying into auto insurance, home or renter's insurance, health insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, long term care insurance, life insurance?

Not that I see as ALPA as just an insurance policy. Its a good start on how to look at them but ALPA does a whole lot more than that.

 

[rtmcfi]

Mr. CFI,

There are only three possibilities here;

1) You are naive and ignorant.

2) You are in denial.

3) You are dishonest.

I don't know which it is and I don't really care. I'm just glad I'm not you.

Have you never noticed communisms affection for "democracy"?

North Korea's official name would be "The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. East Germany was "The German Democratic Republic". Not much democracy actually takes place, but it's all for the people, right?

Communism is so antithetical to the principles this country was founded upon it is impossible to further the "Progressive" agenda without hiding it's true nature. Hence you get all kinds of euphemisms such as economic democracy, social justice, leveling the playing field. Who could be against democracy, justice and a level playing field?

That is until you pull back the curtain and see the little man pulling the levers.

I have no doubt that many of you sincerely want to make the world a better place, you would be what Stalin referred to as " Useful idiots".

Let me give you a little clue, "life isn't fair"! Never has been, never will be. Bad things happen to good people all the time and it isn't their fault. You will never change that. Get over it and grow up.

Thanks for the history of the word democracy. It was fascinating. Next you could explain to us "ad hominem." Please place it in reference to the three possibilities you blather about above. I am glad you are not me as well. Look we found some common ground!

So, about your sources for sourcewatch being communist...... we are waiting. I read your diatribe twice, and never could find them.

You are so right about life not being fair. No pay for deice, no pay for taxiing planes, no more insurance choices, forced EGL flying. I see these things for what they are...unfair. I choose not to be a useful idiot. Those who willingly accept these things would be the useful idiots would they not?

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and buy my crew a round of coffees on the starbucks card I was going to throw in your file. Even your paranoid Mcarthyism won't be able to find a link to the communist party and Soucewatch.org. Why in the heck am I even bothering to respond to your lunacy? I hope your person red scare passes peacefully.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

No pay for deice, no pay for taxiing planes, no more insurance choices, forced EGL flying./QUOTE]

Who do you work for? I get paid for all these things and I like my health insurance just fine.

Thanks for the history of the word democracy. It was fascinating. Next you could explain to us "ad hominem." Please place it in reference to the three possibilities you blather about above./QUOTE]

"Ad hominem", against the man. To attack ones opponents person instead of addressing their argument. You made no argument, I wasn't attacking your character, simply making an observation.

And, that wasn't a history lesson on democracy, it was an illustration of the lefts penchant for hiding behind euphemisms to disguise their true character.

Or, do you really think that North Korea and East Germany were truely democratic in nature.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Or do you?

 

[WayBack]

You mean like all the national unions on property at SWA, including SWAPA?

Wait, what? English?

ALPA does many things on a daily basis behind the scenes that help all pilots. Its not just when I pilot needs to be represented. In any case, I've never had a problem getting a hold of them?

Of course all the work is done behind the scenes. Because the pilots would be a little up set if they saw how much Solitary the Union Reps play on their computers.
Glad you got a hold of them. Sure it's not hard since you're dating the whole MEC.

ASA is proof that SKW can have a union and still be treated well and have a good working relationship with management.

Naive much? You ever been on the property of a non-union carrier, and an ALPA drive is going on? Management changes their tone, and lays down the new rules that are going to take place if a union is voted on. There is a reason management treats it's employees well when they're not union.
But you're too naive to see that.

And Skywest pilots ride the coat tails of ALPA pilots. Anyways, the effective dues rates is less than 2%.

Of course! every one who flies an airplane part 91, 135 or 121, are riding the coat tails of ALPA. Glad ALPA is the only one who thinks so highly of itself that everyone is benefiting from their work.
2% out of a FO's paycheck is a lot of cash. A lot of money for a lousy magazine subscription.

ALPA has helped with one thing in my life. Right now we have gotten 20 inches of snow. Thanks to ALPA always piling the BS on us, I able to shovel like no other.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

How's this for you Mr. CFI

Back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said that the American people would never vote for socialism but he said under the name of liberalism the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How's this for you Mr. CFI

Back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said that the American people would never vote for socialism but he said under the name of liberalism the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program.

Please provide a reference, including one describing every fragmant of the socialist program and how this has been applied to American politics by the American people.

 

[Nevets]

Wait, what? English?

You said that when you run an airline the right way there is no need for a union. Yet SWA is thee most unionized airline.

Of course all the work is done behind the scenes. Because the pilots would be a little up set if they saw how much Solitary the Union Reps play on their computers.
Glad you got a hold of them. Sure it's not hard since you're dating the whole MEC.

I don't know why you feel the need for personal attacks.

If the pilots actually saw all the behind the scenes work, less of them would complain about ALPA.

Naive much? You ever been on the property of a non-union carrier, and an ALPA drive is going on? Management changes their tone, and lays down the new rules that are going to take place if a union is voted on. There is a reason management treats it's employees well when they're not union.
But you're too naive to see that.

Yes, I have. But it wasn't ALPA. It was the IBT. The reason why they do this is because they don't want the pilots to the the little power they would get from being recognized by the NMB and having the power of the RLA behind them. I always feel that if management was actually making these threats, then its proof that a union is needed. Its a lot easier to make these threats with individual pilots rather than a bargaining agent. Not naive and I wish you really would stop with the personal attacks.

Of course! every one who flies an airplane part 91, 135 or 121, are riding the coat tails of ALPA. Glad ALPA is the only one who thinks so highly of itself that everyone is benefiting from their work.
2% out of a FO's paycheck is a lot of cash. A lot of money for a lousy magazine subscription.

Like I've said before and like you've agreed, the act of piloting has benefited by the safety advances ALPA has helped bring to aviation. So by definition, yes, all part 91, 135, and 121 are riding the coat tails. That plus the magazine is worth more than 2%.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Please provide a reference, including one describing every fragmant of the socialist program and how this has been applied to American politics by the American people.

My god. How far must your head be up your ass to even ask such a question.

 

[rtmcfi]

No pay for deice, no pay for taxiing planes, no more insurance choices, forced EGL flying./QUOTE]

Who do you work for? I get paid for all these things and I like my health insurance just fine.

Thanks for the history of the word democracy. It was fascinating. Next you could explain to us "ad hominem." Please place it in reference to the three possibilities you blather about above./QUOTE]

"Ad hominem", against the man. To attack ones opponents person instead of addressing their argument. You made no argument, I wasn't attacking your character, simply making an observation.

And, that wasn't a history lesson on democracy, it was an illustration of the lefts penchant for hiding behind euphemisms to disguise their true character.

Or, do you really think that North Korea and East Germany were truely democratic in nature.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. Or do you?

Wow, you are an amazing spin master........
Please post your links calling out Sourcewatch.
You don't get paid for deice in ORD.
You don't get paid for repos to and from the MX hangar in SLC.
I am glad you like your insurance, as next year it is your only choice, unless chipaway retreats.

Now get back to chasing those damn reds.