Skywest losses IAH COEX flying

[mckpickle]

UMMMMM, IF YOU CARE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGEE HERE ON THE LEFT, <----------
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT I AM A DISPATCHER, NOT A PILOT.


NICE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. ASS....




GOOD DAY SIR!

AHHHHH another guy who couldn't hack it as a pilot, say no more.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Valid Point????? Where The Hell Did U Make A Valid Point????????????

 

[propsarebest]

AHHHHH another guy who couldn't hack it as a pilot, say no more.

ONCE AGAIN, I FAIL TO SEE YER POINT OF VIEW. I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A PILOT. I AM PROUD TO BE DISPATCHER, CAUSE I GET TO TELL DICKWEEDS LIKE YOU WHERE TO GO. SO PLEASE, GET BACK IN YER JET AND CHECK THE LAV, CAUSE YOU LEFT WHAT LITTLE BRAINS U HAVE IN THERE.


GOOD DAY SIR!

 

[homerjdispatch]

How in the hell does some DUMBASS with 227 hours, know a D.A.M.N thing about ANYTHING. Come back and discuss this stuff when you get some "hair down there"!


Yeah SKYW lost a whole 1% of their flying, flying that was losing them money. BIG LOSS!!!!!!

 

[TriJet]

I flew down in Houston for a year on the Continental Connection side of SkyWest. I think SkyWest did a great job down there and that's what we continually heard was that Continental was pleased with our service.

Regarding what someone said about ontime performance, half of those Brailias have ACARS which doesn't lie. You can't just close the main cabin door and reopen it again like I've seen one airline do. The right engine has to be started to get an out time.

The overnighting aircraft in certain cities that ExpressJet started redoing was because SkyWest told Continental they needed a few more Brasilias overnighting in IAH so they could do routine maintenance on them. Continental had ExpressJet pick up the overnights in a few cities.

Regarding a more comfortable service on ExpressJet, I've flown on ExpressJet and I really enjoyed every flight. When it comes to flying on a hot noisy Brasilia or a new cool ERJ most passengers would prefer the ERJ but that's not what Continental wants on those routes so RJs aren't an option.

Also SkyWest is making money in Houston. The first 9 months they had low ticket prices to increase market share but later raised prices and were profitable. With all of that being said the reality is that the new passenger weights that went into affect about a year ago really hurt the Brasilia. Going from 170 lbs to 190 lbs made the airplane really restricted to more like 24-26 passengers. It was either that or not carry all of the luggage. SkyWest mulled the idea of buying Q400s last summer but decided they weren't going to invest in a 4th fleet type. When the bid went out Continental wanted bids for a larger sized turboprop including 50 seat turboprops, something SkyWest was unwilling to invest in. SkyWest lost the this bid for turboprop flying which was only 1% of SkyWest's total available seat miles.

Those 67 SkyWest pilots will have to be relocated and I imagine difficult for those that bought homes down there. But I can guarantee that when ExpressJet's contract is open for rebid for January of 2007 SkyWest will put their bid in for RJ flying.

Dude, where do you stick your nose in SGU to be so well informed of the airline's politics?

 

[jbDC9]

Hey JACKHOLE learn your history!!! It was our flying and did belong to Us because we WERE wholey owned by CAL. Meaning that all the work we did went towards the greater good of CAL. But then CAL sold us to fund the pension plan and put cash in their pockets. They threw us out, ruined our CONTRACTUAL RIGHT to job progression and advancements. So sorry if we're a little pi$$y when some skywest guys start with the "its not your flying speech"

IT WAS OUR FLYING AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SCREWED, Just like Eagle and CHQ, and Just like Comair/ASA and CHQ and just like PSA/ALLegany and CHQ/MESA...

See a trend here?

"wwwAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's my sandbox, get out! Those are my toys, gimme 'em back!!!!"

Dude, stop yer whining already and stuff the ego. MY FLYING, OUR FLYING... give me a freakin' break. Like the others have said, it's CAL's flying and they'll dole it out as they see fit. Hasn't this already been endlessly debated on previous threads? What, you just don't wanna believe it? "IT WAS OUR FLYING AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SCREWED" Comments like that just make you sound like an idiot...

But seriously though, why are you complaining? Have you seen all the new flying/routes/airplanes you're getting? Have you seen how many mainline runs EXJ is taking from mainline?? So, when we mainline CO pukes see RJs flying CLE-DEN, IAH-MEX, IAH-ATL, IAH-YYZ, etc... should we do as Mr Pickle does and jump up on a soap box and proclaim "Scope!!! That's OUR flying! Waaahhhh!!!!"?

Do you have any idea how silly you sound when you start spouting off your scope crap?

But then CAL sold us to fund the pension plan and put cash in their pockets.

Oh, so sorry to hear about that. Our bad. Well then, how about this; CAL buys up all of your capacity and subsidizes your high fuel costs... which guarantees that EXJ makes a profit. And because of these subsidies, EXJ makes a profit, you guys get a new contract with a bit of a pay raise... meanwhile CAL is asking mainline pilots/employees for paycuts and concessions. I'm glad you guys got a raise, really... the "regional" rates need to come waaay up, but it almost looks like we'll get a pay cut to pave the way for EXJ to take over more and more of "our" flying.

Really, take a Ritalin, go back to your sandbox and play nice with the other kids. Stop worrying about Skywest.

 

[MELIT]

Hey JACKHOLE learn your history!!! It was our flying and did belong to Us because we WERE wholey owned by CAL. Meaning that all the work we did went twords the greater good of CAL. But then CAL sold us to fund the pension plan and put cash in their pockets. They threw us out, ruined our CONTRACTUAL RIGHT to job progression and advancements. So sorry if we're a little pi$$y when some skywest guys start with the "its not your flying speech"

IT WAS OUR FLYING AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SCREWED, Just like Eagle and CHQ, and Just like Comair/ASA and CHQ and just like PSA/ALLegany and CHQ/MESA...

See a trend here?

Now Colgan is taking more of YOUR flying. I believe they are adding 5 new cities.

 

[mckpickle]

"the "regional" rates need to come waaay up, but it almost looks like we'll get a pay cut to pave the way for EXJ to take over more and more of "our" flying.

Really, take a Ritalin, go back to your sandbox and play nice with the other kids. Stop worrying about Skywest.

UMM ya, and where were you when the POS contract 97 was voted in? The only major airline contract with the potential for unlimmited RJ's. What did you think would happen when CAL ordered 287 rj's? They made the order while you guys were negotiating contract 97 so it wasn't a surprise.

2000 pilots were screwed over by the sell off. 2000 pilots were again screwed over when the CAL pilot group couldn't get i'ts shiit together and kicked us out of the union. "ALL JET FLYING WILL BE DONE BY PILOTS ON THE CAL SENIORITY LIST" Thats all it would have taken. But a group of disfuntional morons called CALALPA couldn't cut the mustard. Now we AS WELL as you are paying the price. SO ya we are a little piissed off!

ALPA should never have let CAL back in!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

UMM ya, and where were you when the POS contract 97 was voted in? The only major airline contract with the potential for unlimmited RJ's. What did you think would happen when CAL ordered 287 rj's? They made the order while you guys were negotiating contract 97 so it wasn't a surprise.

Settle down Steve. For starters, CAL didn't have 287 RJ's on order when C'97 was signed. The big order that brought XJT up to 274 aircraft occurred in February 2000, well after C'97 was signed. You just went and blamed a guy who was probably hired in 97 or 98 for something that is really a national type of an issue. Not just CAL...but all mainline carriers.

2000 pilots were screwed over by the sell off. 2000 pilots were again screwed over when the CAL pilot group couldn't get i'ts shiit together and kicked us out of the union. "ALL JET FLYING WILL BE DONE BY PILOTS ON THE CAL SENIORITY LIST" Thats all it would have taken. But a group of disfuntional morons called CALALPA couldn't cut the mustard. Now we AS WELL as you are paying the price. SO ya we are a little piissed off!

2000 pilots were not "screwed by the sell off" as you claim. Quite the contrary. If we weren't IPO'd, we'd still be lumped under the CAL financial statements and we'd have as much success in negotiations as ASA is having right now - which is very little unfortunately. The IPO was probably the best thing to ever happen to us. How did it screw us? The FTA would have died due to the sunset date anyway.

Furthermore, CAL didn't "kick us out." You know that too. The "one list" idea was great in theory...and maybe had a chance...way back when (under the IACP), but not now.

ALPA should never have let CAL back in!

Another uncalled-for comment Steve. And you know it. Remember the cardinal rule - don't drink and post. Now on to more important things....when are you buying me my beer?

 

[jbDC9]

UMM ya, and where were you when the POS contract 97 was voted in?

2000 pilots were screwed over by the sell off. 2000 pilots were again screwed over when the CAL pilot group couldn't get i'ts shiit together and kicked us out of the union. "ALL JET FLYING WILL BE DONE BY PILOTS ON THE CAL SENIORITY LIST" Thats all it would have taken. But a group of dysfunctional morons called CALALPA couldn't cut the mustard. Now we AS WELL as you are paying the price. SO ya we are a little piissed off!

ALPA should never have let CAL back in!

Oookay there Sparky, we get it, you're pissed off. At everyone. Skywest, Commutair, Gulfstream, Mesa, Chautauqua, mainline CAL, etc... but why?? Tell us exactly how 2000 EXJ pilots were screwed by the sell-off. No more flow-thru? No big deal, there's nowhere to flow to.

Kicked out of the union? Huh? Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you're you're still ALPA... so what do you mean kicked outta the union? Separating the MEC's is not getting kicked out, it just means you have your own MEC and have to pay your own way for it. What's wrong with that? And how, exactly, are you "paying the price"? EXJ is expanding and getting lotsa new jets, seems like upward mobility to me.

For the record, I hired on at CAL late '97, so when it came time to vote I was SOL, can't vote while on probation.

ALPA shouldn't have let CAL back in? Why not? Is CAL ALPA any more or less dysfunctional than any other ALPA pilot group? ALPA has it's share of problems at any airline, it's a fact. Politics and backstabbing, all kinds of fun stuff.

Maybe you just like whining?

 

[mckpickle]

Settle down Steve. For starters, CAL didn't have 287 RJ's on order when C'97 was signed. The big order that brought XJT up to 274 aircraft occurred in February 2000, well after C'97 was signed. You just went and blamed a guy who was probably hired in 97 or 98 for something that is really a national type of an issue. Not just CAL...but all mainline carriers.



2000 pilots were not "screwed by the sell off" as you claim. Quite the contrary. If we weren't IPO'd, we'd still be lumped under the CAL financial statements and we'd have as much success in negotiations as ASA is having right now - which is very little unfortunately. The IPO was probably the best thing to ever happen to us. How did it screw us? The FTA would have died due to the sunset date anyway.

Furthermore, CAL didn't "kick us out." You know that too. The "one list" idea was great in theory...and maybe had a chance...way back when (under the IACP), but not now.



Another uncalled-for comment Steve. And you know it. Remember the cardinal rule - don't drink and post. Now on to more important things....when are you buying me my beer?

Neal I stand corrected on the RJ orders, however the CAL pilot group did know the RJ ws coming and did nothing to stop them.

As for being kicked out, I seem to recall the IAH CAL reps stating that we would be blocked from striking and thus "hurting" CAL financially (like comair did to Delta) if we did not agree to separate the MEC. So to me that is being Kicked out.

Now the SSL, had merit and a chance. But the CAL guys did nothing. It was very plausible and possible but when 1/2 the pilot group was set to retire in 10 years the only thing they care about is keeping the company solvent long enough for them to get out. And if they sell the pilots below them out....so be it. Other CAL pilots, other UNION pilots of both CAL and EXPRESS.

The argument that we would not have secured a contract like we just did is valid. However, had we not spun off we would continue to have career progression an seniority list movement. In about 3-400 pilots the movement at express is going to come to a grinding halt.

SO ya I'm a little pissed that our "union" brothers sold us out.

I stand by my statement about bout ALPA letting CAL back in. They have historically been the most disfunctional pilot group in ALPA. They also had the only opportunity that ALPA has seen to control the Continental "BRAND" and gave it away...............for nothing!

 

[mckpickle]

Oookay there Sparky, we get it, you're pissed off. At everyone. Skywest, Commutair, Gulfstream, Mesa, Chautauqua, mainline CAL, etc... but why?? Tell us exactly how 2000 EXJ pilots were screwed by the sell-off. No more flow-thru? No big deal, there's nowhere to flow to.

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You are right I am pissed off. I'm pissed that a union is supposed to work together to advance the carreers and job protection of ALL its members.
I know the flying belongs to CAL. Of which we were a part. We were willing to take a staple job, "B" scale, anything. Because we know that it would have protected the CAL "brand". A lot more hardship and heart ache now, but secutriy for ALL the pilots of this union, excuse me, former union.

SO now CAL is going to worry about loosing its flying to a heck of a lot lower bottom feeding carriers than us. What will your battle cry be when US Air tanks and MESA wants to operate 737's paying 75$/hr?

But I guess we lost the battle on brand............or did we ever even fight it?

 

[BluDevAv8r]

The argument that we would not have secured a contract like we just did is valid. However, had we not spun off we would continue to have career progression an seniority list movement. In about 3-400 pilots the movement at express is going to come to a grinding halt.

Sorry dude...you are wrong. The FTA was going to end whether it be through a greater than 50% divestiture or just by hitting the June sunset date.

-Neal

 

[mckpickle]

Sorry dude...you are wrong. The FTA was going to end whether it be through a greater than 50% divestiture or just by hitting the June sunset date.

-Neal

Of course it was. The CAL pilots wouldn't support it!

 

[FlyChicaga]

I think hindsight being 20/20, we can all see that putting the RJs at mainline back in the late 90's would have quite possibly saved (or delayed) this race to the bottom. Now, we are attempting to fix the mistakes of the past. That is difficult to do when the two sides (mainline and regional) who really need to be working together to secure the future of all pilot groups are fighting against each other... and management is laughing at us while they watch from the sidelines.

I'm not talking just Continental/ExpressJet, I'm talking everyone here. Imagine the strength of a unified union made up of some major players, all on one side, 5000+ strong each? Delta/DCI, United/United Express, Continental/Continental Express, American/American Eagle, the list goes on.

Using our own airline as an example, imagine what Larry would think if the entire route map could be shut down, attributed the unity of both mainline and Express?

Come two years from now, you will have various regional groups infighting for a piece of the route map pie, effectively dividing CAL even more, from the bottom up. If the pilot groups--and companies--were unified, they could have more control over the future.

Hindsight 20/20.

 

[sweptback]

Using our own airline as an example, imagine what Larry wouldthinkifthe entire route map could be shut down, attributed the unityofbothmainline and Express?

That's why that would have never happened. Too many pilots on onelist.Having multiple pilot groups doing one carrier's flying ismanagement'swet dream! However I don't think I give them thecredit for seeing theeffects of that decision ahead of time.

Edit: wtf is up with the wacky spaces? I can't fix them either.

 

[nimtz]

propsarebest,

You opinons are welcome on this board but you make a tool out of yourself by insisting in posting in SIZE 7 FONT.It'snot too hard to go toe to toe with McPickle when he's wound up,but Iain't wastin' my time reading your views if you continue to try to beso outlandish.

For the rest of you guys, why exactly should a post about Skywest losing a contract resort into yet another issue with Xjet post. Garbage, really garbage. We need the free crackpipe back.

 

[nimtz]

Edit: wtf is up with the wacky spaces? I can't fix them either.

DITTO

 

[rattler]

We need the free crackpipe back.

This is what happens when you mess with a man's crack!

 

[InclusiveScope]

I think hindsight being 20/20, we can all see that putting the RJs at mainline back in the late 90's would have quite possibly saved (or delayed) this race to the bottom.

Hindsight 20/20.

That is the problem with ALPA. They have hindsight, but no foresight. They have 20/20 hindsight and are blind as a bat looking forward. Status quo will continue - get used to it.