Skywest losses IAH COEX flying

[getout]

I was not addressing the company loosing the routes at all. Hell that could be me trying to figure out what to do next. Just the over all tone of the thread. There is a reason Colgan got the contract they weren't the lowest bidder. We colgan boys just try harder to kiss alittle more a** so are pay sheets don't get looked at to hard. Not havin ACARS also helps. I only wish I could have it as good as all those RJ drivers. Sounds like there schedule and pay are just great and the upgrade times are what? 6 months. RIGHT. Oh and the spelling; I drink alot so get over it. Oh and I don't give a sh$$. So let me get back to humping Mikes leg.

 

[homerjdispatch]

getout,


Read the post right before your last one. the word is LOSING not LOOSING!!!!

 

[JetLinkin Park]

I was not addressing the company loosing the routes at all. Hell that could be me trying to figure out what to do next. Just the over all tone of the thread. There is a reason Colgan got the contract they weren't the lowest bidder. We colgan boys just try harder to kiss alittle more a** so are pay sheets don't get looked at to hard. Not havin ACARS also helps. I only wish I could have it as good as all those RJ drivers. Sounds like there schedule and pay are just great and the upgrade times are what? 6 months. RIGHT. Oh and the spelling; I drink alot so get over it. Oh and I don't give a sh$$. So let me get back to humping Mikes leg.

I can't decode a word of this.

Far as XJT is concerned, we could be flying around in MU-2's; the point is that we offer a better product. We "RJ" drivers, those "Boeing" drivers at USAir, and the "Airbus" drivers at United are all in the same ship. Ask those guys about schedule, pay, and upgrade times right now. The point is that we offer a superior product to the consumer- hands down. CAL knows this and even if our costs slightly exceed some other carriers- ultimately it's our reputation and track record that will keep the relationship intact.

 

[MELIT]

I was not addressing the company loosing the routes at all. Hell that could be me trying to figure out what to do next. Just the over all tone of the thread. There is a reason Colgan got the contract they weren't the lowest bidder. We colgan boys just try harder to kiss alittle more a** so are pay sheets don't get looked at to hard. Not havin ACARS also helps. I only wish I could have it as good as all those RJ drivers. Sounds like there schedule and pay are just great and the upgrade times are what? 6 months. RIGHT. Oh and the spelling; I drink alot so get over it. Oh and I don't give a sh$$. So let me get back to humping Mikes leg.

I hate to repeat myself but your a Dumb A$$

 

[Rogue5]

What is with this myth that SkyWest doesn't have ACARS? Is it because of the DOT rankings that the numbers MUST have been fudged?

As has been stated before: ALL the EMBs, most of the UAL RJs and about half the DAL birds have ACARS...

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Not quite true. CAL has an early termination option effective year end 2006. In theory CAL could simply walk away from ExpressJet at that time. No, that doesn't have to happen, but CAL does have the ability to significantly rework its relationship with ExpressJet as of the end of 2006.

Well...yes...and no. On January 1, 2007, CAL may use feed from carriers other than XJT, provided they give 12 months notice. Otherwise, the CPA has an expiration date of December 31, 2010 subject to extensions by CAL until 2030.

With that said, there have already been several pro-CAL modifications to the CPA in the past 6 months and there is likely to be more...but in order for that to happen further, there will be quids for XJT. XJT has been working tremendously hard to manage this situation and solidify its relationship further with CAL.

I do agree with you generally however...but I will also go on record as saying I highly doubt you will see CAL toss away 274 jets worth of feed. Will there be changes? Undoubtedly...given the fluid nature of this industry. Will some of those changes benefit XJT and its employees? Absolutely.

-Neal

 

[Mookie]

Rogue,

The white birds down here in iah don't have them (acars). Good riddance to those "gems". Hope Colgan has fun with the rumored ATR's in the desert that they bid to fly. Word is they were bigger pos's than the white emb's. scary. I've heard that one of the reason's we didn't make a better offer on the the flying was that it would mean that we would have to take more white birds out of the desert. It was costing us too much to maintain them to SkyWest standards, so there we go. You always know when the guy checking in next to you gets one, you heard this AAAAUUUUGGGGH.....not f()cking 734 AGain!!!!!! I kinda liked the white birds, they were "squishy" to land.

It was fun down here while it lasted.

Mookie

 

[nimtz]

Hey SKW guys,


If you are so concerned about the race to the bottom this demonstrated why don't you tell your management team to pay you more to fly the 70 seaters. Next time your in TUS you will probably see some parked UAL 737-500's. Guess where that puts all of us in the race to the bottom.

 

[swoopyswoop]

To CoEx flight crews that believe that Skwest has terrible service in IAH. I am a furloughed pilot from an airline. I have 12000 hrs and have worked for a regional carrier for seven years. I have never been at a place that has such a bad ramp service and communications in the industry. We bust our butt down here and people down here just don't care. I get tired of reading the board blasting just how bad we are. Unless you worked somewhere that runs a proficient carrier please keep to yourself. Another thing I quite don't understand is when I walk down the terminal and pilots can't even say hello. Wake up and smell the roses.

You ought to be thankful that you even have a job. I tried for two years and I was alway told that I was overqualified. Think next time.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

To CoEx flight crews that believe that Skwest has terrible service in IAH. I am a furloughed pilot from an airline. I have 12000 hrs and have worked for a regional carrier for seven years. I have never been at a place that has such a bad ramp service and communications in the industry. We bust our butt down here and people down here just don't care. I get tired of reading the board blasting just how bad we are. Unless you worked somewhere that runs a proficient carrier please keep to yourself. Another thing I quite don't understand is when I walk down the terminal and pilots can't even say hello. Wake up and smell the roses.

You ought to be thankful that you even have a job. I tried for two years and I was alway told that I was overqualified. Think next time.

a) I don't think I recall reading too many, if any, XJT guys blasting Skywest quality or service.

b) Continental Airlines runs the ramp as well as the entire operation in IAH. XJT just provides airplanes and crews at IAH.

c) I've tried saying hello to your folks and gotten blank stares as well. Goes both ways. I don't take it personally.

Good luck with the transition back west and fly safe.

-Neal

 

[getout]

I hate to repeat myself but your a Dumb A$$

I am a dumb a##, Don't forget we no were your Jeep is parked.

 

[Nova]

It's KNOW not NO. I'm surprised you know how to spell ATP.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

1 year at IAH, from first day..about 50% would look at you, the other 50% looked away...Shame.
One great thing that happened, is that every FO that we took in from Xjet turned out high quality from day one, till most went back even to the very last second of the very last flight! Kudos!

 

[captjim]

1 year at IAH, from first day..about 50% would look at you, the other 50% looked away...Shame.
One great thing that happened, is that every FO that we took in from Xjet turned out high quality from day one, till most went back even to the very last second of the very last flight! Kudos!

50% of the guys you were looking at to say hello, were guys that were flying those routes in the "white birds" that you guys are flying. Think about it, do you really think they would be happy to see you?

 

[captjim]

To CoEx flight crews that believe that Skwest has terrible service in IAH. I am a furloughed pilot from an airline. I have 12000 hrs and have worked for a regional carrier for seven years. I have never been at a place that has such a bad ramp service and communications in the industry. We bust our butt down here and people down here just don't care. I get tired of reading the board blasting just how bad we are. Unless you worked somewhere that runs a proficient carrier please keep to yourself. Another thing I quite don't understand is when I walk down the terminal and pilots can't even say hello. Wake up and smell the roses.

You ought to be thankful that you even have a job. I tried for two years and I was alway told that I was overqualified. Think next time.

I'm sure things will be much better in SLC.

 

[Deerkiller]

Goodbye IAH

By the time we are out of IAH I will have spent 1 year in Houston. It was a great base, with great people who liked working with each other. I will definitely miss it. With regard to the ramp, well, there were good days and bad days. I'll never forget Xmas eve 04 with snow in IAH and the deicing truck just driving up and down the hardstand stopping to deice when you flashed your lights at him, no headset to communicate and kind of looked at you weird when you climbed out of the airplane to get the necessary info. All well I've lived in Houston my whole life and that was only the second time I can remember it snowing. The white birds, oh, the white birds. The desert can have those back, they'll make good Coke cans someday, maybe. With re: to the XJT guys, yeah it was about 50/50 but i can't honestly say that I haven't walked with a blank stare past a couple of their crews either, so, whatever. All that mattered is that as far as i know each side was helpful with the jumpseat. I will miss IAH. I'm sure all the SKYW people will make it through okay.

Oh, one more thing to the XJT guys.....it still looks like an "RJ" to me.

 

[Prop Trash]

Does anyone know what'll happen to those "white birds" that SkyWest flies in IAH? Will they go back to the desert or will SkyWest make them silver? Who owns those plane anyway?

 

[bayoubandit]

Prop (CW right?)

Skywest is leasing those white ones. My guess is that they will go somewhere besides SKW. The silver ones apparently are up for debate. Our mx guys want to use them as spares since our current ones (at least in SLC) are becoming mx pigs.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

I flew down in IAH a few times to do aircraft repos. The crews were great (both SKYW & XJT), but the ground handling by CO sucked!! I waited almost an hour for some ramp agents to move a whopping 5 sand bags over to another airplane. I would ask them, and they acted like I was speaking a foriegn language. Finally, I just did it myself. I'm sure there was some union guy bitching me out for actually working, but oh well. I remember when I worked for Ford Motor and we weren't allowed to move our own desks because the UAW would get pissed. We'd place a work order in with them. Three weeks later four guys (two working & two "observing") would come in and move the desk ten feet. I don't know what the right answer is for the state of our industry. Unions suck, corporations such, and psuedo-unions suck. Oh and....


IT'S A DAM$ FRICKIN' RJ!!!!

 

[swoopyswoop]

Its funny you X-jet kids think you are entitled to fly your RJs from IAH to STL, but SkyWest is stealing your flying by using a turboprop from IAH to Victoria, TX.

 

[Nova]

I don't see what's so special about flying to and from St. Louis.

IAH to VCT use to be flown by our crews in our own turboprops. CO replaced both of those with Skywest. Were either aircraft or crews replaced by XJT on any Skywest route? See the difference?

 

[CLE145CA]

I flew down in IAH a few times to do aircraft repos. The crews were great (both SKYW & XJT), but the ground handling by CO sucked!! I waited almost an hour for some ramp agents to move a whopping 5 sand bags over to another airplane. I would ask them, and they acted like I was speaking a foriegn language. Finally, I just did it myself. I'm sure there was some union guy bitching me out for actually working, but oh well. I remember when I worked for Ford Motor and we weren't allowed to move our own desks because the UAW would get pissed. We'd place a work order in with them. Three weeks later four guys (two working & two "observing") would come in and move the desk ten feet. I don't know what the right answer is for the state of our industry. Unions suck, corporations such, and psuedo-unions suck. Oh and....


IT'S A DAM$ FRICKIN' RJ!!!!

Actually, no worries there....CO rampers are not unionized employees.

I admit that I have frustration when I fly in and out of IAH as well. Lately I have been pleasantly surprised by how well the ground staff is doing. What I have a problem with is ramp frequency congestion on the south side of the airport. Prop guys should be glad you don't deal with that. There are just a huge number of flights operating in IAH and the congestion will just get worse.

There needs to be a third ramp control frequency down in IAH. One for the North, one for the CAL South, and one for Express South. No one can get a word in edgewise to push.

 

[propsarebest]

I don't see what's so special about flying to and from St. Louis.

IAH to VCT use to be flown by our crews in our own turboprops. CO replaced both of those with Skywest. Were either aircraft or crews replaced by XJT on any Skywest route? See the difference?

Do you think you are ENTITLED to fly that route? REMEMBER, YOU ARE A SUBCONTACTOR FOR CO, HIRED TO DO A JOB FOR CO. CO can hire WHOMEVER they want to fly wherever they want. If COEX was its OWN airline, i'd say u got sumthin, but its not and u dont. live with it.

 

[minrest]

Okay, everyone sing together.....

"Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya . . . . . . . . "

-minrest

 

[JetLinkin Park]

All that mattered is that as far as i know each side was helpful with the jumpseat.

Amen.

As I said before, no one has a hard one over flying the ERJ (obviously). The discussion is specific to route and company.

As for saying hello as we passed; is this high-school? Who gives a sh*t. Unless I know or have flown with you, I'm not saying hello. You may be an idiot. I can't get caught waving to an idiot in public.

 

[Nova]

CO can hire WHOMEVER they want to fly wherever they want.

You're right, all those mainline guys need to stop complaining about us flying from DEN-CLE, IAH-ATL, etc.. since CO can hire WHOMEVER they want to fly wherever they want.

 

[phishhman]

Set the gearshift for the high gear of your soul, you've got to run like an antelope out of control.

Swoopy,
I love the signature. Too bad it is all over.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Its funny you X-jet kids think you are entitled to fly your RJs from IAH to STL, but SkyWest is stealing your flying by using a turboprop from IAH to Victoria, TX.

Kids? Our average age is over 30....more like 34.

I was one of the 120 captains displaced to the right seat of the 145 when we dumped our 120's...only to see the very same planes end up back in IAH being flown by Skywest pilots. I hold no ill will or grudge. We are just pilots...we go to work and do our job and go home. The playground fights are better left there...on the playground.

No where did I read any XJT pilot speak of "entitlement" though....care to elaborate?

-Neal

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I flew down in IAH a few times to do aircraft repos. The crews were great (both SKYW & XJT), but the ground handling by CO sucked!! I waited almost an hour for some ramp agents to move a whopping 5 sand bags over to another airplane. I would ask them, and they acted like I was speaking a foriegn language. Finally, I just did it myself. I'm sure there was some union guy bitching me out for actually working, but oh well. I remember when I worked for Ford Motor and we weren't allowed to move our own desks because the UAW would get pissed. We'd place a work order in with them. Three weeks later four guys (two working & two "observing") would come in and move the desk ten feet. I don't know what the right answer is for the state of our industry. Unions suck,corporations such, and psuedo-unions suck. Oh and....

a) CAL rampers are not unionized...nor are their res agents.

b) If you injured yourself moving those sandbags and got disciplined for putting yourself out of work doing a job beyond the scope of your normal duties, who would go to bat for you?

c) Yes, IAH rampers can be notoriously slow...but has a lot to do with staffing (or lack thereof) due to CAL's efforts to cut costs.

-Neal

 

[Rogue5]

b) If you injured yourself moving those sandbags and got disciplined for putting yourself out of work doing a job beyond the scope of your normal duties, who would go to bat for you?

Tell me you are kidding me that your management would discipline you for doing work above and beyond what is expected of you.

What a country we are living in!!!