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Yet another reason I will be voting YES. Time after time I have seen pilots at Skywest who believe we are one big happy family with management (which is true about 90% of the time). It has been educational to watch those same pilots become true union believers when the management "witch hunt" begins. Watch yourselves cause nobody's got your back. "At will employee" takes on a whole new meaning. Just ask Don.
 
you can still f fizer

buscap said:
And I thought we had stupid crap going on at ASA!!!!

I thought ya'll were one big happy freaki'n family out there in the big saline pond!!! "Don't need no union and all that crap!!!!"

Thanks for making me feel better about the Union dues.

But on a serious note, I am glad dude got his job back. Stupid stunt, but he shouldn't be fired for it.
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Most guys at Skywest couldn't handle the financial burden of seeing this through (over $100,000) and would have had to settle with a ruined career (at his age). Especially the new hires who make 19/hr. I say vote ALPA and take advantage of a fair process. I'm sure CFIT will be on soon with his intelligent anti-ALPA arguments like:

ALPA sucks!
Look at MESA! and so on...
 
How about if they garnishee TF's salary for awhile to pay back what it cost? As dead against unions as SkyWest is, whose head do you think will roll if this drive passes? Granted there isn't one single issue to vote for or against ALPA, but how many fence sitters or ones who were against will now vote YES because of this guy? I still think he was reassigned so that more pilots didn't get pissed off and decide to vote YES.
 
Morning Wood said:
How about if they garnishee TF's salary for awhile to pay back what it cost? As dead against unions as SkyWest is, whose head do you think will roll if this drive passes? Granted there isn't one single issue to vote for or against ALPA, but how many fence sitters or ones who were against will now vote YES because of this guy? I still think he was reassigned so that more pilots didn't get pissed off and decide to vote YES.
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Maybe someone would be kind enough to ask these questions during the next shareholder's meeting or the next conference call
 
Skywest Pylot said:
Yet another reason I will be voting YES. Time after time I have seen pilots at Skywest who believe we are one big happy family with management (which is true about 90% of the time). It has been educational to watch those same pilots become true union believers when the management "witch hunt" begins. Watch yourselves cause nobody's got your back. "At will employee" takes on a whole new meaning. Just ask Don.
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Been there and done that. Hope to get an ALPA t-shift now after some of the crap I've seen.
 
viper548 said:
BS terminations are rare but as this case shows, it can happen to anyone for any reason.
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Not to go into any details here but what do you think Viper? Think I'm a fence sitter after my brief incounter with the dark underbelly of our big happy family?! :)
 
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viper548 said:
BS terminations are rare but as this case shows, it can happen to anyone for any reason.
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BS terminations are far from rare. What is rare is for the average line pilot to get anything close to what the facts are in a disciplinary event involving someone other than themselves.
 
Alpa

This stupidness never would have happened with ALPA around.
-Guaranteed.

-BTW-I will be voting for Chuck Norris in '08! Awesome!
 
Some of the anti-Alpa people who think sapa/management will "take care of me", coolaid drinkers need to WAKE UP!

I know you want to believe all that stuff you heard from the sapa people like Jim Black/ David Livingston/ Dave Alden etc while you were in new hire class but it was pure nonsense. You are NOT protected (just look at DD's case, he was sold down the river by sapa/management wanna be's proving their loyalty to management. Also it should be noted Tony Fizer, the guy who was behind this unfair treatment/firing was a former Sapa VP himself until he was awarded the Chief Pilot job for giving away work rules as a sapa rep) and the only way there is a "good working relationship" with management is that they can do what they want when they want. The so called policy manual has been sliced and diced dozens and dozens of times the past few years and there is NEVER any give back. How is that a good working relationship?! I know alot of guys think, "I'll do my three years and get on with a major"....dont be so sure. The majors are always one terrist attack/accident away from furloughing and no hiring for five to ten years then you are stuck at that "temporary time building company" that you didn't do anything to make better.
 
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FlySacto said:
Not to go into any details here but what do you think Viper? Think I'm a fence sitter after my brief incounter with the dark underbelly of our big happy family?! :)
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Your situation helped me see the light. I thought the guy you were dealing with was one of the good CP's too.

Being in the left seat I see how things could go downhill quickly if they don't agree with how you handle a situation
 
Erlanger said:
The court has already ruled on this. All he gets is his job back with senority, all back pay, reembursement of medical expenses he incurred since he didn't have insurance since his termination and reembursment of reasonable attorney fees. While it's a victory, and rightfully so; it's a bitter sweet one.

The Chief Pilot involved has since been removed from that post but is still employed and flys the line.
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It's like playing a Country song backwards.
 
Morning Wood said:
How about if they garnishee TF's salary for awhile to pay back what it cost? As dead against unions as SkyWest is, whose head do you think will roll if this drive passes? Granted there isn't one single issue to vote for or against ALPA, but how many fence sitters or ones who were against will now vote YES because of this guy? I still think he was reassigned so that more pilots didn't get pissed off and decide to vote YES.
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This was a big political victory for the union side. I wonder how much money ALPA secretly funneled to the pilot's legal defense.
 
DoinTime said:
BS terminations are far from rare. What is rare is for the average line pilot to get anything close to what the facts are in a disciplinary event involving someone other than themselves.
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This is the real problem. Skywest management has become incredibly adept at hiding things and keeping people quiet about their unlawful terminations. The average Skywest pilot never hears about them unless they knew the guy personally. Don isn't the only one. Ask the guys on the OC. They have plenty of examples to provide. Your "benevolent" management team is anything but.
 
2% is a small price for the added insurance of ALPA Legal and Medical alone.

I don't drive my car without insurance, and I sure wouldn't want to go to work without some sort of protection either. I hope I never need to use it, but should I, it's nice to know it's there.
 
Stifler's Mom said:
2% is a small price for the added insurance of ALPA Legal and Medical alone.

I don't drive my car without insurance, and I sure wouldn't want to go to work without some sort of protection either. I hope I never need to use it, but should I, it's nice to know it's there.
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That's really the bottom line on why the Skywest pilots need a real union. ALPA may have a lot of problems, but you just can't risk going without the "career insurance" it provides. That plus the added benefits I mentioned in another thread.

And few realize that union dues are 100% TAX DEDUCTIBLE. You get it all back.
 
viper548 said:
Maybe someone would be kind enough to ask these questions during the next shareholder's meeting or the next conference call
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Assuming someone actually did, what do you think the people on the call would say? "Oh yes..that lawsuit was a real killer...our Chief Pilot really blew it and cost us a bunch of money".
 
For those Skywest pilots on here, check out the termination statics that R.J. (one of the "good" SAPA reps) posted on SAPA forums. Still think the company/SAPA has your back? It makes a nice comparison between terminations at SkyWest and those at ALPA carriers. Not a good showing for Skywest.
 

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