Skywest J4j?

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I was wondering what the Skywest pilot group had to say about the latest from UAL. Have you guys and gals agreed to the UAL j4j?

 

[strega7]

I believe this agreement is very similar to the one thar we have with Continental. In "props for jobs" I believe it was every position created in Houston was to be offest by the hiring of a furloughed Express pilot. All of them are at the bottom of the list and placed where their senority can hold. This UAL agreement looks very similar, they'll be at the bottom of the list, placed where the company needs them (mostly), but it looks like their pay will be subsidized for a year. I'm curious to know how the UAL people we've already hired feel about this plan.

Fly Safe.

 

[Jeepman]

I have read nothing that says they will be payed 2nd year pay. If they are ,UAL is going to subsidize it.

 

[sstearns2]

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Hello all,

Skywest is treating these pilots just like newhires. If they are recieving anything beyond skywest payscales and benifits then it's comming from UAL or UALPA.

We didn't vote on this issue. I don't believe there was a reason to have a vote. The pilots have little to do with who gets hired so long as the newhires are treated like newhires.

We did vote on the US Airways j4j deal because they were talking about bypassing seniority in essence. We voted this down and managment dropped it.

Scott

 

[skypine69]

Treated like new hires? Is getting second year pay being treated like a newhire? Also, is UAL going to pay these folks during initial training? As of right now this "great" company does not pay its pilots during training.

I hope we get to vote on it.

 

[sstearns2]

Skywest will treat the UAL folks just like newhires. Skywest is paying them 1st year pay. Why should we care if UAL is paying them extra?

If we vote on this then we should be voting on every pilot we hire. Does that make any sense?

Scott

 

[utahpilot]

anyone have a guess as to when SkyWest will hire off the street again?

 

[FlyboyPhil]

Utahpilot... they sent out a list of the folks they were interviewing in August 3-4 weeks ago.. so interviewing is going on.. and not only guys from coex.. saw a guy who has only instructing for a background on the list(lots of it.. but no 121/135)
As for hiring.. several classes scheduled in the next few months..

good luck to you!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Do any of you have an issue with them being able to negotiate their rate of pay separately from the rest of the pilot group? That could never happen at Comair because of our contract. I understand you are not unionized, but it seems it is setting yet another precedent. And not one that is good for the Regional pilot group as a whole.

 

[strega7]

If they get additional money from their former empolyer to subsidise their income, why is that a SkyWest pilot concern? SkyWest pays its pilots an agreed upon rate and if UAL wants to pay its furloughed pilots a little more to have the 70's at SkyWest/Mesa, so be it.

Fly Safe

 

[utahpilot]

I heard that SkyWest is not requiring those with 121 time to do the sim portion at the interview, is that true? how many are in the pool? site still says 'not accepting pilot applications?'

 

[Doggiepaddle]

Not true

When I interviewed there were 121 guys on furlough in the room. Every single one of us flew the sim, not to say that their ride wasn't easier, that is always a possibility, but they did go to the sim.

A wet dog in the SKYW pool

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I quess you have a diff "big picture" than myself. We have been fighting this find of stuff.

 

[General Lee]

Afellowaviator,

I would love to say something, but I won't this time.

 

[Chairman]

UAL will pick up the tab is spin (BS). SKYW will pay him or her 2nd year pay and pass though the cost to UAL just like every other SkyWest employee.

Splert [/B][/QUOTE]



Why don't you not start stupid rumors that isn't how it is going to happen..............

 

[Jeepman]

AFELLOWAVIATOR,

I never thought tihs would happen, but I agree with you on this issue. UAL furloughs should get 1st year pay, or everyone should start out at 2nd year pay.

Someone brought up a good point to me. We took a pay freeze & same pay for 70 seaters to "keep United". Now UAL says they are picking up 2nd year pay? WRONG!! I am and so is every other non UAL pilot at SkyWest. Including the 1st years only making $ 19 /hr.

I don't hold this against any of the UAL pilots. However, I CANNOT STAND UAL!!!

 

[Chairman]

IF you read the agreement proposal posted on our site it explains that they UAL Pilots will be goveren by all rules of the carrier which employment opportunities are given. A Skywest Check (or at least electronic Stub) and something in the mail from UAL or UALALPA. For now these conversations should stay on our private board until the deal is signed and released by SKYW

 

[Caveman]

"It doesn’t compromise seniority because they are getting the extra from someone else..."

On another thread I thought I read where 60% of the UAL charity hires had to be in the RJ. If that's true then what about the EMB-120 guy that normally could have bid and held that RJ seat? If this is actually the case then it pretty much throws seniority out the window.

 

[Chairman]

Alright one cup of coffee it is.

And as for the 60% RJ flying there would have to be vacancy's that were not filled by non seat locked EMB FO's who have there bid in. Putting newhires in the RJ is nothing new.

 

[Rottweiller]

UAL MEC

To: Furloughed United Pilots

From: Todd Coomans, UAL-MEC Furlough Coordinator

On Wednesday, the United MEC ratified a letter of agreement with UAL that will allow United pilots to be offered employment with our United Express partners, including Mesa Air and SkyWest. We are in the process of working out the details and will be sending informational packets as soon as they are prepared and ready for shipment. I anticipate this information being in your hands no later than the first week of September.

To be eligible for employment with Mesa Air and SkyWest, a United pilot must be on furlough or have received notice of furlough. Hiring will be administered by the MEC office. Please do not contact Mesa or SkyWest directly about this agreement.

The following are some highlights of the Letter of Agreement prepared by Negotiating Committee Chairman Captain Wendy Morse and her committee.

Number of Jobs - Any feeder carrier that has an agreement with UAL to take delivery of SJs with a certificated seating capacity in excess of 50 seats, but not more than 70, must offer 5 jobs per SJ-70. These are guaranteed jobs, not interviews.
Type of Jobs - At least 60% of the total jobs per carrier must be in the right seat of a jet, the rest can be in any equipment. The jet jobs are not specific to the SJ-70 because the carriers have the same pay rate for 50 and 70 seat jets and will likely operate them as a common fleet type. The jobs will not necessarily be in the carrier’s United Express operation.
Pay rates - All pilots will start at 2nd year jet F/O pay rates. Their pay will remain at that rate until the regular wage scale surpasses it. This rate is $27-35 per hour, depending on the carrier, compared to new-hire pay of $17. UAL is picking up the tab for the difference.
Probation - Pilots will be subject to what we call quasi-probation. They will technically be on “probation,” but they will have access to the same due process as any non-probationary pilot.
Resignation - Pilots will not be required to resign their seniority number from UAL.
Training Bond Repayment - If a pilot is recalled and owes money to the carrier as a result of a training bond, UAL will pay the remaining obligation.
We have posted on the MEC website at www.alpa.org the Letter of Agreement between ALPA and UAL, as well as links to the Mesa Air collective bargaining agreement, Mesa Air domiciles and equipment, the Mesa Air website and the SkyWest website. Please note that the pilot section of SkyWest.com is expected to be offline until mid October. We will post more information on SkyWest as it becomes available.

It is important that your MEC has current information on all furloughed United pilots. Please be certain that ALPA and United have your address, phone number, e-mail and other relevant information.

Please be patient. More information will be provided as it becomes available.