SkyWest, Inc. announces E175 orders

[Clutch]

It doesn't matter, the pay will be whatever the company decides, SAPA will sell/pimp it to the pilots, that's the SKYW model, been that way for years.
Instead of studying for a new airframe, I will use that time to make sure my logbook is up to date, interview suit freshly dry cleaned and interview skills are up to speed.
All you guys with a shiny jet chubby, study real hard and have fun with the Feds in the classroom, sim and jumpseat, I am sure the checkairmen will not excede their quota of pink slips, especially with the Fed offering their opinion. I wonder if the ASA guys turned Fed will be there. This will be cat herding at its finest.
FWIW, the pay will match the 900, JP will deliver!

Race ya

 

[777forever]

It doesn't matter, the pay will be whatever the company decides, SAPA will sell/pimp it to the pilots, that's the SKYW model, been that way for years.
Instead of studying for a new airframe, I will use that time to make sure my logbook is up to date, interview suit freshly dry cleaned and interview skills are up to speed.
All you guys with a shiny jet chubby, study real hard and have fun with the Feds in the classroom, sim and jumpseat, I am sure the checkairmen will not excede their quota of pink slips, especially with the Fed offering their opinion. I wonder if the ASA guys turned Fed will be there. This will be cat herding at its finest.
FWIW, the pay will match the 900, JP will deliver!

This post was hilarious! "Cat herding at its finest" LOL!

Well done sir

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[PBRstreetgang]

Found over on the SAPA site:
http://youtu.be/4kN4XyVTW4Y (part 1)

http://youtu.be/wdfCQiMq0xw

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Found over on the SAPA site:
http://youtu.be/4kN4XyVTW4Y (part 1)

http://youtu.be/wdfCQiMq0xw

A load of ALPA propaganda, though he does get a few things right; Deregulation was the begining of the end for this profession.

Supply and demand is a law of economics, it appears to fail as stated in the article because the baseline wage used as a reference is from the era of regulation. Those historically high wages don't come from the combination of profitability and unions as the author claims, they come from a government franchise and fixed prices by the CAB.

In other words, pilots are still over paid respecting the potential supply of pilots, wishing or believing that you worth more (even based on historical data) doesn't change the facts.

There is, however, no pilot shortage.

 

[jmreii]

A load of ALPA propaganda, though he does get a few things right; Deregulation was the begining of the end for this profession.

Supply and demand is a law of economics, it appears to fail as stated in the article because the baseline wage used as a reference is from the era of regulation. Those historically high wages don't come from the combination of profitability and unions as the author claims, they come from a government franchise and fixed prices by the CAB.

In other words, pilots are still over paid respecting the potential supply of pilots, wishing or believing that you worth more (even based on historical data) doesn't change the facts.

There is, however, no pilot shortage.

Deregulation made it possible for travelers of all incomes to travel in which was a good thing whereas the outsourcing of that demand to commuter/regional airlines has created a permanent underclass of workers. I don't believe the second part of my first statement was done intentionally. just a glaring example when the government becomes involved in any law/regulation the government screws it up!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

A load of ALPA propaganda, though he does get a few things right; Deregulation was the begining of the end for this profession.

Supply and demand is a law of economics, it appears to fail as stated in the article because the baseline wage used as a reference is from the era of regulation. Those historically high wages don't come from the combination of profitability and unions as the author claims, they come from a government franchise and fixed prices by the CAB.

In other words, pilots are still over paid respecting the potential supply of pilots, wishing or believing that you worth more (even based on historical data) doesn't change the facts.

There is, however, no pilot shortage.

Jon,
While I do believe that there is an agenda here, the facts speak for themselves.
When in the history of this industry has an airline paid a signing bonus of any amount much less $5,000? I remember the days when SKYW did not pay during training, how much did that cost you? The video author's agenda is, that for his lot in life to get better, potential pilots must stay away from the industry, in effect causing a shortage. The industry's agenda is to have a steady free flowing supply of pilots to staff it's airplanes. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
If you look at the FAA stats for pilot certificates is aprox half of what I'd was pre-2000, and in fact if foreign students and other factors are considered, it might be much lower. In the Bay Area a 172 is $176.00 per hour Hobbs wet, the math is not encouraging, so while you may espouse a free market concept, the aviation industry is anything but free market. Look at the number of F/Os and Jr CAs leaving, it speaks volumes, it easy to sit back and marvel at how good you have it, if anything in this industry is true its change, sit back and do nothing at your and your own's peril.

 

[johnsonrod]

Under Obama's military you will see fewer pilots in the pipeline (although all new pilots will have 10 year commitments). Plus, with ERAU and UND now costing 30-40K per year for the aviation program, don't expect huge demand for pilot slots unless there is some sort of subsidization program (not likely). I just saw an ad for an ATP 0-1500 hour program (including interviews at regionals like Republic) for roughly $60K. Not sure how many people can afford that.

I think the 1500 hour rule is the best thing that has happened to the regional industry from a pilot perspective for a long time - it gives us some negotiating leverage as the legacies start to ramp up and experienced pilots leave.

 

[flyboyike]

Deregulation made it possible for travelers of all incomes to travel in which was a good thing...

Why was that a good thing?

 

[JustaNumber]

Why was that a good thing?

Because you wouldn't have a job now otherwise!

See slide 32 to see how the total number of active ATPs today is almost 5 times as many as were flying in the early '70s:
http://www.faa.gov/news/conferences_events/aviation_forecast_2010/agenda/media/GAF%20Jim%20Higgins%20and%20Kent%20Love.pdf

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Jon,
While I do believe that there is an agenda here, the facts speak for themselves.
When in the history of this industry has an airline paid a signing bonus of any amount much less $5,000? I remember the days when SKYW did not pay during training, how much did that cost you? The video author's agenda is, that for his lot in life to get better, potential pilots must stay away from the industry, in effect causing a shortage. The industry's agenda is to have a steady free flowing supply of pilots to staff it's airplanes. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
If you look at the FAA stats for pilot certificates is aprox half of what I'd was pre-2000, and in fact if foreign students and other factors are considered, it might be much lower. In the Bay Area a 172 is $176.00 per hour Hobbs wet, the math is not encouraging, so while you may espouse a free market concept, the aviation industry is anything but free market. Look at the number of F/Os and Jr CAs leaving, it speaks volumes, it easy to sit back and marvel at how good you have it, if anything in this industry is true its change, sit back and do nothing at your and your own's peril.

Nothing to argue with there, however, you do realize that you are applying the law of supply and demand in making your point.

I heard from Joan the FED that the FAA is only issuing about 200-300 commercial certificates per year and most of those to foreign students. I also agree with the authors sentiment that if more aspiring pilots knew the facts they would not pursue this career. My kids will not be following in my footsteps.

My best guess is that if the pool of pilots does dry up you will see age 65 go to 70 and beyond. Sixty is the new 40.

Cheers.



P.S. I was in the first SkyWest newhire class that paid during training, along with single occupancy at the Candlewood.

P.S. I was also in the hiring pool at Comair in the mid 90's for about two years when you had to pay $10,000 for training. I didn't have another ten grand and so never went there.

 

[BoilerUP]

Because you wouldn't have a job now otherwise!

See slide 32 to see how the total number of active ATPs today is almost 5 times as many as were flying in the early '70s:
http://www.faa.gov/news/conferences...genda/media/GAF Jim Higgins and Kent Love.pdf

Probably worth noting that business aviation is many orders of magnitude larger than it was in the early 70s...

 

[rickair7777]

I heard from Joan the FED that the FAA is only issuing about 200-300 commercial certificates per year and most of those to foreign students.

200-300??? Per Year???


That cannot be correct. They normally make closer to 10,000 CPLs. 300 would indicate the complete collapse of the flight training industry.

 

[OCP]

200-300??? Per Year???


That cannot be correct. They normally make closer to 10,000 CPLs. 300 would indicate the complete collapse of the flight training industry.

And???

 

[CRJ puppy]

200-300??? Per Year???


That cannot be correct. They normally make closer to 10,000 CPLs. 300 would indicate the complete collapse of the flight training industry.

People pull this crap out of their outflow valve continuously. Try looking up the statistics readily available on the FAA website. Total new commercial certificates issued in 2012 was 17,992. Hardly 200-300!

But oh nooooooo! Pilot shortage any day!!! Run. Hide. The sky is falling!!

:laugh:

 

[Nevets]

http://www.aabi.aero/AirlinePilotLaborSupply1.pdf