SkyWest, Inc. announces E175 orders

[XPOO]

The MRJ's are still over the MGTW limit as specified by all legacy scope clauses.

Currently...we are talking another four years from now, right?

 

[Ops check good]

They are gonna need to find some skilled pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

Just what we needed...More E-175s flown by new-hires at $23.00/hour. Legacies are going to be trunk routes and int'l only in another 10 years, and there will be NO shortage of pilots to go fly them...And, a continued sad procession of young people thinking they will get one of those coveted seats...Pilots are so dumb...And, Yes, I was dumb enough to believe you could actually make a living at a regional...

I'd love to see where they will get all of these pilots - especially the "experienced" Captains to fly the E175s and the MRJs. Again, the legacies will be ramping up big time in the next 2-5 years and I imagine many Skywest pilots (among the various regionals) will be leaving to go to UAL, Delta, AA and a few of the expanding LCCs. Should be interesting to watch.

 

[amcnd]

I'd love to see where they will get all of these pilots - especially the "experienced" Captains to fly the E175s and the MRJs. Again, the legacies will be ramping up big time in the next 2-5 years and I imagine many Skywest pilots (among the various regionals) will be leaving to go to UAL, Delta, AA and a few of the expanding LCCs. Should be interesting to watch.

^still waiting to watch that. It's been 16 years in the industry for me. Would be nice to see it atleast back to how it was in the late 90's... But my hopes are not to high yet.. There are less airlines to apply to now then back then...

 

[wms]

There will NEVER be an intigration of SkyWest and ExpressJet. The sooner you give up that fight and focus on your own problem, the better off you'll be.

I'm not saying to integrate xjt with Skywest. I'm saying all three pilot groups should work together to further our profession.

 

[E120ASA]

Hopefully this will wake up the idiots at lxj. We'll do it with out you.... I have had enough of your BS.

 

[E120ASA]

Wake up lxj, Sky West is going to take your flying and tell you can come fly for them as a new hire or get furloughed. I hate to say it, but they have had enough. I keep hearing this on the ASA side.

 

[badog]

There will NEVER be an intigration of SkyWest and ExpressJet. The sooner you give up that fight and focus on your own problem, the better off you'll be.

This ^ is the mentality that the latter day saint squids cultivate and love. idiots like this influence some people but most can see the forest for the trees.
As much as they think sky pest controls their mainline partner, the reality is they have no idea of what's happening on the month to month market. This may seem like a windfall for sky pest, the 170's will replace the 200's as their leases come due. As a pilot, flying the 170 and desiring to fly for mainline, I would be concerned about getting hired by the mainline partner who wants those aircraft sufficiently staffed. If you're a lifer than it behooves you to get the best pay and work rules you can negotiate and that takes a unified work force with common goals not divisive infighting pitted against one another.
The few dispatchers slinging Saint George rhetoric on this forum have nothing to lose but the thousands of pilots on here do.

 

[rene]

Good point

This ^ is the mentality that the latter day saint squids cultivate and love. idiots like this influence some people but most can see the forest for the trees.
As much as they think sky pest controls their mainline partner, the reality is they have no idea of what's happening on the month to month market. This may seem like a windfall for sky pest, the 170's will replace the 200's as their leases come due. As a pilot, flying the 170 and desiring to fly for mainline, I would be concerned about getting hired by the mainline partner who wants those aircraft sufficiently staffed. If you're a lifer than it behooves you to get the best pay and work rules you can negotiate and that takes a unified work force with common goals not divisive infighting pitted against one another.
The few dispatchers slinging Saint George rhetoric on this forum have nothing to lose but the thousands of pilots on here do.

Nobody is talking about return conditions on the 200 leases? 200 airplanes at $5 million each for LLP's and engines is 1 Billion dollars? Alternatively, why put any money into an airplane nobody will lease? Why isn't this a huge problem?

 

[E120ASA]

Guys and Gals the only reason I posted this, is when I was in upgrade in Dec. I heard the new VP flt-ops and T say this first hand. They and (OX) were tired of the BS, and remember one of them was your XJ guy.

 

[jmreii]

Just what we needed...More E-175s flown by new-hires at $23.00/hour. Legacies are going to be trunk routes and int'l only in another 10 years, and there will be NO shortage of pilots to go fly them...And, a continued sad procession of young people thinking they will get one of those coveted seats...Pilots are so dumb...And, Yes, I was dumb enough to believe you could actually make a living at a regional...

I tend to agree with you with the full knowledge SkyWest is not making this transaction in a vacuum but with the blessings of the powers that be. It took me three years at a regional 15 years ago to figure out how this scam works. Yes we were all suckers at some point, but some of us learn faster than others. Good luck!

 

[badog]

Nobody is talking about return conditions on the 200 leases? 200 airplanes at $5 million each for LLP's and engines is 1 Billion dollars? Alternatively, why put any money into an airplane nobody will lease? Why isn't this a huge problem?

Because, that's reality and no one on here wants to face that. Their stuck on, " my fee for departure airline is better than yours". Obviously, shiny jet syndrome is alive and well. Unfortunately, I think we've already lost it. Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything.

 

[amcnd]

Nobody is talking about return conditions on the 200 leases? 200 airplanes at $5 million each for LLP's and engines is 1 Billion dollars? Alternatively, why put any money into an airplane nobody will lease? Why isn't this a huge problem?

SKW just went through a big UA 200's MX engine overhaul. On UA's dime. I see the SKW 200's staying longer then the XJT 135/145's...

 

[badog]

SKW just went through a big UA 200's MX engine overhaul. On UA's dime. I see the SKW 200's staying longer then the XJT 135/145's...

Doubt it, united knows what a peice of crap they are, the 200 will go first. The last 50 seater to leave will be the 145 XR. That, you can bank on.

 

[amcnd]

Doubt it, united knows what a peice of crap they are, the 200 will go first. The last 50 seater to leave will be the 145 XR. That, you can bank on.

I agree with the XR.. But you may want to check you fleet/lease/end of contract numbers. Pretty high for 2014-2016 on the XJT side.. Not to mention UA is now at it's max scope limit..

 

[Nevets]

Of these 200 aircraft, 40 go to OO for UA starting April 2014 and commencing August 2015. No firm CPA at this moment for EV. I'm sure Nevets will explain the first rights of refusal to us all again.

What is it you don't understand about it? Honestly?

I'm sure they know where these planes will go. They'll use them as a carrot in negotiations along the way, as they always have. The problem is the lxjt guys don't know how our mgmt works and they will get suckered in.

This is exactly what I said. As for not knowing how our management works, it's pretty transparent to me.

I mean no ill-will and this is strictly an opinion, but the facts are starting to finally show themselves. ExpressJet may have been able to stop Inc from reallocating the aircraft that are already operating, but they can't do a thing to stop Inc from allocating new aircraft wherever they want. The future is more than likely going to be a whittled down ExpressJet and a larger, more diverse SkyWest.

This has been a known loophole for a long time now. Nothing stops them from entering new CPAs with new aircraft. Tell us something we don't already know.

Unless those planes replace e145s, and the tpa didn't gut the lxjt CPA like it did the lasa CPA.

What?

There will NEVER be an intigration of SkyWest and ExpressJet. The sooner you give up that fight and focus on your own problem, the better off you'll be.

Thanks for that JA. Please tell us all how else you feel.

Hopefully this will wake up the idiots at lxj. We'll do it with out you.... I have had enough of your BS.

Funny how as soon as your NC chair was removed, the MECs came to an agreement. So who are the idiots?

Wake up lxj, Sky West is going to take your flying and tell you can come fly for them as a new hire or get furloughed. I hate to say it, but they have had enough. I keep hearing this on the ASA side.

I agree. We either take a concessionary contract or the aircraft are going to Skywest.

Guys and Gals the only reason I posted this, is when I was in upgrade in Dec. I heard the new VP flt-ops and T say this first hand. They and (OX) were tired of the BS, and remember one of them was your XJ guy.

What does Mesaba have to do with the price of tea in china?

Don't be so naive. They are telling us the same thing about you guys.

SKW just went through a big UA 200's MX engine overhaul. On UA's dime. I see the SKW 200's staying longer then the XJT 135/145's...

Yes, especially since you are way more cost competitive. I would guess that all but the 104 XRs will be parked as the leases expire.

 

[difete]

They always manage to find pilots. They have almost a full year to start getting them into property. Lately I fly with a lot ex-something pilots. From corporate outfits, ex-regional guys, ex-flight instructors... etc... Finding pilots to staff on this time frame will be no problem.

But if mainline starts opening the hiring flood gates... well... that will be more challenging.

BTW we are fat in pilots right now.

 

[amcnd]

Nevets..The whole XJT "first right of refusal" is a scam.. UA is scoped out now.. Look at airplanes comming off contract at all UAExpress airlines... It will suprise you...

 

[Nevets]

Nevets..The whole XJT "first right of refusal" is a scam.. UA is scoped out now.. Look at airplanes comming off contract at all UAExpress airlines... It will suprise you...

It's not a scam at all. It all makes perfect sense and is working according to plan. Inc orders 100 175s and immediately announces 40 of them going to Skywest with the first delivery in April 14 (about 11 months from now). Simultaneously, each COO delivers messages to their pilots with the announcement and the whipsaw. One COO tells his pilots that they need a cost competitive contract in order to have aircraft allocated to them. The other COO tells their pilots that its up to them to make these 40 replacement or growth aircraft. Sometime in the future, UAL will give XJT the first right of refusal to replace the 145s and either XJT matches it and the 40 175s at Skywest are replacement aircraft OR XJT isn't able to match Skywest's bid and they get the rest of them and thus UAL parks the 145s while Skywest get all the growth.

 

[amcnd]

^ keep dreaming.. Im done talking about it.. Time will tell..

 

[enuffalready]

Nevets should take jay carneys job.

 

[centralpilot]

Guys and Gals the only reason I posted this, is when I was in upgrade in Dec. I heard the new VP flt-ops and T say this first hand. They and (OX) were tired of the BS, and remember one of them was your XJ guy.

Well, this is somewhat confusing. There isn't a new VP of Flight Ops; CT has been in that position for many years. There is a new Director of Flight Ops and Chief Pilot. I assume you meant that he was from XJT, but you left off a letter and used an abbreviation typically used for Mesaba Airlines. I'm not sure what (OX) is.

In any case it is their job to scare the training classes during contract negotiations. SH & CT did a similar song and dance at nearly every RGT prior to Contract 2007 being signed.

 

[Nevets]

^ keep dreaming.. Im done talking about it.. Time will tell..

Nevets should take jay carneys job.

Dreaming? I was NOT trying to sound optimistic for XJT!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Zero Net Gain

 

[urflyingme?!]

Nobody is talking about return conditions on the 200 leases? 200 airplanes at $5 million each for LLP's and engines is 1 Billion dollars? Alternatively, why put any money into an airplane nobody will lease? Why isn't this a huge problem?

I dunno Rene. I seem to remember us losing MILLIONS when ZERO of our MAG engines passed muster at the lease return. I also remember our 14k hour birds falling apart and then coming to SKYW and flying a bird with 37k on it and thinking, wow these new planes are great! What a difference a QUALITY operation makes!
How big was MAG 7 years ago? NOW????
Who is getting new aircraft?
Who is paying a dividend EVERY quarter?
Who is posting great profits?
Who is the LAUGHING STOCK of the industry?
Who is flying -200's that come off lease for NEW partners?
Who is making MILLIONS on pro-rate flying?

I remember Mike L saying that the big reason that MAG was losing it's shirt on delays was because United was "screwing them" by not integrating them into a delay mitigation system that would prioritize flights based on crew legality, aircraft routing and passenger connections. WE WERE LOSING MILLIONS!!! They "extortion" UAL wanted? ONE EMPLOYEE TO BE HIRED AT MAG TO ADMINISTRATE! SAME HERE>


MAINTAINING YOUR AIRCRAFT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT. YOU SUCK!

 

[wms]

The FROR in the agreement is between ual, Skyw and xjet mgmts. It has nothing to do with the pilots. If the mgmts agree to a different deal that does not include an exchange of 145s, then the FROR deal can be voided if all parties agree.

Also, the first section of the tpa includes an exclusion that has been added for aircraft returned to the lessor, which amends the job protections we have relating to transfer/exchange of aircraft. The company has already used this exclusion on the -200 side.

 

[Nevets]

The FROR in the agreement is between ual, Skyw and xjet mgmts. It has nothing to do with the pilots. If the mgmts agree to a different deal that does not include an exchange of 145s, then the FROR deal can be voided if all parties agree.

Also, the first section of the tpa includes an exclusion that has been added for aircraft returned to the lessor, which amends the job protections we have relating to transfer/exchange of aircraft. The company has already used this exclusion on the -200 side.

Yes, that loophole has also been known for a long time. In fact, it's not a loophole at all. Both parties agreed that management can do anything they want with any aircraft that come of lease on a CPA.

And like I said on another post, the real loophole that we've all known about for a long time is the ability of them coming up with a whole new CPA.

What I'm telling you is that that is not what is happening here. And the reason why is because management doesn't even need to go that far for them to get what they want with all the existing facts on the table: the CAL CPA with its FROR, the TPA, and the firm order for 100 175s. It's all going according to their plan. The hardest part is behind them.

 

[Nevets]

I dunno Rene. I seem to remember us losing MILLIONS when ZERO of our MAG engines passed muster at the lease return. I also remember our 14k hour birds falling apart and then coming to SKYW and flying a bird with 37k on it and thinking, wow these new planes are great! What a difference a QUALITY operation makes!
How big was MAG 7 years ago? NOW????
Who is getting new aircraft?
Who is paying a dividend EVERY quarter?
Who is posting great profits?
Who is the LAUGHING STOCK of the industry?
Who is flying -200's that come off lease for NEW partners?
Who is making MILLIONS on pro-rate flying?

I remember Mike L saying that the big reason that MAG was losing it's shirt on delays was because United was "screwing them" by not integrating them into a delay mitigation system that would prioritize flights based on crew legality, aircraft routing and passenger connections. WE WERE LOSING MILLIONS!!! They "extortion" UAL wanted? ONE EMPLOYEE TO BE HIRED AT MAG TO ADMINISTRATE! SAME HERE>


MAINTAINING YOUR AIRCRAFT IS A GOOD INVESTMENT. YOU SUCK!

You sound like that ****************************** kid in the neighborhood who comes out with his big new toy a day after Christmas and taunts the other kids in the neighborhood because their parents aren't as rich to give them the same toy.

Who is bigger? Dividends? Great profits? Really? That's what you are boasting about now that daddy gave you a shiny new 175 for Christmas?

I'm sure you would have slam dunked all those millions of profits for pro rate flying on our heads if RAH or MAG would've gotten those aircraft.

 

[XPOO]

You sound like that ****************************** kid in the neighborhood who comes out with his big new toy a day after Christmas and taunts the other kids in the neighborhood because their parents aren't as rich to give them the same toy.

Who is bigger? Dividends? Great profits? Really? That's what you are boasting about now that daddy gave you a shiny new 175 for Christmas?

I'm sure you would have slam dunked all those millions of profits for pro rate flying on our heads if RAH or MAG would've gotten those aircraft.

Weren't you the guy that was bragging for months that he was going to get that toy first?

 

[Nevets]

Weren't you the guy that was bragging for months that he was going to get that toy first?

I was bragging that "he" would get that "toy" first? Why would I brag about Skywest Airlines getting 175s first?

Evidence shows that its the Skywest people, starting with dispatchers, that tend to brag on any SKW/ASA/XJT thread.