Skywest in Aspen

[Medeco]

I always tell my co-pilots to use common sense in my brief, and agree that scripted flying is no good.

Aspen is different than 99.9% of all airports in the US, we all know this. I was making my comment based on the OP and his statement of having to divert. It would seem they had the info far enough out to make the proper choice, unless the conditions were variable, which is very possible, the Skywest crew most likely had the same info.

All speculation, but the OP pretty much layed it out as straight forward.

Medeco

 

[CopilotDoug]

Really? So you think that if the crews answer as to why they did it was "it was the absolute safest course of action given the situation, landing was assured where as a go-around would have been in doubt given the wind shear and the terrain clearance issues we would have had." You then think that the Fed would violate them?

When did the crew check the ATIS? I'm ASSUMING the winds were reported on the ATIS, no? It's possible winds kicked up 48 minutes after the previous ATIS was cut so maybe the crew was not notified until they were coming down the pipe...either way, always something new to learn about that airport.

 

[BoilerUP]

"Go around is NOT an option."

 

[FishandFly]

You questioned the actual act of landing with the tailwind and as was explained.....sometimes it makes more sense to continue.....Recipe flying has become the norm....Not enough common sense....

The Vspeeds have changed 3 times since I have been flying the ATR....Profiles and callouts have changed more times than I can remember.....

Fly the D@mn airplane....use common sense....Procedures don't cover every situation....

Suggesting that we use common sense when flying should include protecting yourself from being violated.

I'm not arguing what an airplane is capable of, but rather when a fed would violate you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Suggesting that we use common sense when flying should include protecting yourself from being violated.

I'm not arguing what an airplane is capable of, but rather when a fed would violate you.

....I'll continue to use common sense...The feds and common sense don't go together....

If they want to violate me for using common sense then so be it....

No flight is ever in 100% compliance of every rule.....I can't even keep track of all the changes that are made by beuracratic pin heads who have nothing better to do....

True safety has taken a backseat to "recipe flying" or "cookbook flying"....

 

[Freeze_gopher]

Fishandfly,

I agree with what you're saying in concept, however Aspen is different. Inside 3.9 dme at 8780' if you have to go around it is an "emergency extraction procedure" not a go around. Emergency being the key word. There are a bunch of things about ase that are uncomfortable, the shifting winds are certainly in that group. I have had to go around because of wind in the canyon. Landing with the thrust levers in or recently having been in the T/O detent are not uncommon especially in the summer.

 

[colonel sanders]

Seriously though. I'm sure everyone in this industry knows at least one person who flies at Skywest. Why not just ask them, about Skywest procedures instead of coming onto a public forum and letting the world know that a Skywest crew MAY have exceeded a limitation. That was kind of a doo-bag move if you ask me.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You questioned the actual act of landing with the tailwind and as was explained.....sometimes it makes more sense to continue.....Recipe flying has become the norm....Not enough common sense....

The Vspeeds have changed 3 times since I have been flying the ATR....Profiles and callouts have changed more times than I can remember.....

Fly the D@mn airplane....use common sense....Procedures don't cover every situation....

Spoken like a "true"aviator, manufacturers airframe limitations, FARs, and company policy be damned, we gots 50 missions to complete. Joe you are showing your complete lack of brainpower. A superior aviator uses superior brain to avoid having to use his superior pilot skills. Wake up, ASE flying out of DEN is flown by the most junior crews in the company.
PBR

 

[Freeze_gopher]

PBR,

ASE flying in Den isn't junior anymore....stupid? well, opinions vary. Interesting post, nail somebody for what they said then turn around and say something stupid yourself. I'll let you respond because I can obviously learn a lot from you.

 

[XPOO]

PBR,

ASE flying in Den isn't junior anymore....stupid? well, opinions vary. Interesting post, nail somebody for what they said then turn around and say something stupid yourself. I'll let you respond because I can obviously learn a lot from you.

Wally and I will be kicking back roasting marshmallows while you two ladies hash it out.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Disregard...I just found out I'm supposed to be roasting marshmallows.

 

[CA1900]

"Go around is NOT an option."

That's the exact accident that came to my mind, too.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

....I'll continue to use common sense...

You couldn't find common sense in a paper bag!

The feds and common sense don't go together....

Kind of like you and "professional pilot."

If they want to violate me for using common sense then so be it....

Make sure and call the rjdc for that violation, they're looking out for your best interest!

No flight is ever in 100% compliance of every rule.....

Speak for yourself moron! And you wonder why your pathetic lawsuit was a failure.

I can't even keep track of all the changes that are made by beuracratic pin heads who have nothing better to do....

No, you're too busy suiing people for things you can't achieve on your own.

True safety has taken a backseat to "recipe flying" or "cookbook flying"....

More snipets from the rjdc playbook?

 

[eglguy]

While I understand that Aspen apparently sucks to fly into, technically speaking how do you knowingly exceed a clear limitation and be in the right?

I seriously doubt a fed, or NTSB investigator would see it your 'logical' way.

Fed in training

 

[WalterSobchak]

You couldn't find common sense in a paper bag!


Kind of like you and "professional pilot."


Make sure and call the rjdc for that violation, they're looking out for your best interest!


Speak for yourself moron! And you wonder why your pathetic lawsuit was a failure.


No, you're too busy suiing people for things you can't achieve on your own.


More snipets from the rjdc playbook?

Hey, keep it down, sucker. You're ruining my S'mores over here...