Skywest in Aspen

[WalterSobchak]

Either come to work, or go to bed.

Hey now...

I was doing my morning routine of eating breakfast whilst feeding my strange and unexplainable attraction to Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC and catching up on email, Fark, & FI when I posted that...nothing goes together like homemade protein shakes and FI drivel.

 

[XPOO]

Hey now...

I was doing my morning tradition of eating breakfast whilst catching up on email, Fark, and FI when I posted that...nothing goes together like homemade protein shakes and FI drivel.

Don't lie about your "morning routine"

 

[WalterSobchak]

OK, fine...I was dropping the morning deuce. Happy now?

 

[XPOO]

OK, fine...I was dropping the morning deuce. Happy now?

Disturbing, now what was this thread about again?

 

[blingair]

Hi, Lloyd!
Hi, Harry!
How was your day?
Not bad. Fell off a jetway again.

Heres some random trivia for you.- the jetway where Lloyd fell off is at the SLC airport, Terminal #1. I forget which gate, but after going up the escalator after security you make a left than the first right and its the first gate on the left (down the little slope).
You can see in the movie that he falls behind Hudson General baggage carts.
Where Lloyd runs up the stairs with the briefcase actually heads to the short term parking garage.
I know, useless, but next time you're there with someone, you can take the credit for saying "hey, remember that movie..."

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I recognized SLC as well. I thought it was the B concourse, first gate.

Maybe next time we all go there we can take a header off the same jetbridge as Lloyd.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I recognized SLC as well. I thought it was the B concourse, first gate.

Maybe next time we all go there we can take a header off the same jetbridge as Lloyd.

Perhaps we should have a Lloyd Christmas Jetway Jump Day for charity over at B2...

 

[Long Time Gone]

Right above ASA's old Crew Room.

 

[XPOO]

I recognized SLC as well. I thought it was the B concourse, first gate.

Maybe next time we all go there we can take a header off the same jetbridge as Lloyd.

Let's ask Long Time Gone, he knows EVERYTHING!

 

[soup can]

you are one pathetic loser! no offense.

 

[Medeco]

I always tell my co-pilots to use common sense in my brief, and agree that scripted flying is no good.

Aspen is different than 99.9% of all airports in the US, we all know this. I was making my comment based on the OP and his statement of having to divert. It would seem they had the info far enough out to make the proper choice, unless the conditions were variable, which is very possible, the Skywest crew most likely had the same info.

All speculation, but the OP pretty much layed it out as straight forward.

Medeco

 

[CopilotDoug]

Really? So you think that if the crews answer as to why they did it was "it was the absolute safest course of action given the situation, landing was assured where as a go-around would have been in doubt given the wind shear and the terrain clearance issues we would have had." You then think that the Fed would violate them?

When did the crew check the ATIS? I'm ASSUMING the winds were reported on the ATIS, no? It's possible winds kicked up 48 minutes after the previous ATIS was cut so maybe the crew was not notified until they were coming down the pipe...either way, always something new to learn about that airport.

 

[BoilerUP]

"Go around is NOT an option."

 

[FishandFly]

You questioned the actual act of landing with the tailwind and as was explained.....sometimes it makes more sense to continue.....Recipe flying has become the norm....Not enough common sense....

The Vspeeds have changed 3 times since I have been flying the ATR....Profiles and callouts have changed more times than I can remember.....

Fly the D@mn airplane....use common sense....Procedures don't cover every situation....

Suggesting that we use common sense when flying should include protecting yourself from being violated.

I'm not arguing what an airplane is capable of, but rather when a fed would violate you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Suggesting that we use common sense when flying should include protecting yourself from being violated.

I'm not arguing what an airplane is capable of, but rather when a fed would violate you.

....I'll continue to use common sense...The feds and common sense don't go together....

If they want to violate me for using common sense then so be it....

No flight is ever in 100% compliance of every rule.....I can't even keep track of all the changes that are made by beuracratic pin heads who have nothing better to do....

True safety has taken a backseat to "recipe flying" or "cookbook flying"....

 

[Freeze_gopher]

Fishandfly,

I agree with what you're saying in concept, however Aspen is different. Inside 3.9 dme at 8780' if you have to go around it is an "emergency extraction procedure" not a go around. Emergency being the key word. There are a bunch of things about ase that are uncomfortable, the shifting winds are certainly in that group. I have had to go around because of wind in the canyon. Landing with the thrust levers in or recently having been in the T/O detent are not uncommon especially in the summer.

 

[colonel sanders]

Seriously though. I'm sure everyone in this industry knows at least one person who flies at Skywest. Why not just ask them, about Skywest procedures instead of coming onto a public forum and letting the world know that a Skywest crew MAY have exceeded a limitation. That was kind of a doo-bag move if you ask me.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You questioned the actual act of landing with the tailwind and as was explained.....sometimes it makes more sense to continue.....Recipe flying has become the norm....Not enough common sense....

The Vspeeds have changed 3 times since I have been flying the ATR....Profiles and callouts have changed more times than I can remember.....

Fly the D@mn airplane....use common sense....Procedures don't cover every situation....

Spoken like a "true"aviator, manufacturers airframe limitations, FARs, and company policy be damned, we gots 50 missions to complete. Joe you are showing your complete lack of brainpower. A superior aviator uses superior brain to avoid having to use his superior pilot skills. Wake up, ASE flying out of DEN is flown by the most junior crews in the company.
PBR

 

[Freeze_gopher]

PBR,

ASE flying in Den isn't junior anymore....stupid? well, opinions vary. Interesting post, nail somebody for what they said then turn around and say something stupid yourself. I'll let you respond because I can obviously learn a lot from you.

 

[XPOO]

PBR,

ASE flying in Den isn't junior anymore....stupid? well, opinions vary. Interesting post, nail somebody for what they said then turn around and say something stupid yourself. I'll let you respond because I can obviously learn a lot from you.

Wally and I will be kicking back roasting marshmallows while you two ladies hash it out.