SkyWest Had Made Hostile $3.50/Share Bid For ExpressJet

[L.A.pilot]

It's great getting paid to not fly. I had a month of pay with no work following 9/11. Was your friend one of the SAPA guys that got paid 25% more than line pilots to spread anti-union propaganda? I hear they've got a pretty sweet deal.

I agree that working for SkyWest isn't all pain and misery. It is actually a great company. The problem is that as pilots we need to protect the profession. There have been a lot of things that have degraded the profession over the years. There is much harm from having pilots divided against each other.

Here is a true story about SkyWest: A new hire ground school was taking place on 9/11/01 in Salt Lake City. The students showed up to class after hearing some reports about the events of the morning, but not really knowing what is going on. The instructor comes into the room twenty minutes late, and starts calling on the students to go over homework problems. A few minutes into this, one of the students asks the instructor if he knew anything about what was going on. The instructor's response: "Well, yeah, but that's not really important here because it's happening way over in New York."

Don't be caught up in your own little world.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Call it what you want, but the end result is the same. After SkyWest acquired ASA and decided to keep them divided, they owned two airlines with two identities and two separate pilot groups. In fact, SkyWest already has a large population of union hating pilots which makes their job a lot easier than trying to build a new union-busting airline from scratch.

Keeping the pilot groups separated is absolutely not good for pilots. It may benefit some in the short term, but at the expense of other pilots. I would feel like I scab if I allowed myself to be used by management to screw over other pilots.

ALPA doesn't care about separate pilot groups that are owned by the same parent corporation....In 2000 the ASA and CMR pilots tried to get ALPA to negotiate a single list on the DAL property.....ALPA was opposed to that idea...

You're right about a single list...but dont fall for the ALPA cheerleaders....they can't achieve single lists....

ALPA even deleted the alter-ego definition after ASA and CMR were purchased by DAL....

"Those in glass houses"...and ALPA is occupying a glass house with many broken windows....

 

[JoeMerchant]

http://www.rjdefense.com/alpaletters.pdf

 

[L.A.pilot]

Joe,

I don't know whether ALPA can achieve a single list at SkyWest, but is there another option? ALPA is only as strong as the pilot group it represents. If the pilots are not willing to fight for it, it will not happen.

I spoke with a friend at ExpressJet this morning. He said "it will be a cold day in hell" before they throw out their merger clause for SkyWest. At airlines with bigger iron, there is not a question about this. They will not allow a merger without seniority integration no matter how painful it is. The alternative is worse.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

I don't know whether ALPA can achieve a single list at SkyWest, but is there another option? ALPA is only as strong as the pilot group it represents. If the pilots are not willing to fight for it, it will not happen.

I spoke with a friend at ExpressJet this morning. He said "it will be a cold day in hell" before they throw out their merger clause for SkyWest. At airlines with bigger iron, there is not a question about this. They will not allow a merger without seniority integration no matter how painful it is. The alternative is worse.

That will be your choice....But I believe the alternative will be the unemployment line...and that is going to be a long line for awhile....

ALPA is afraid of pushing a negotiated single list because it will result in a representation vote for the new group and ALPA may lose that vote....They can ill afford more losses as they have lost 7000+ members in the last month.....

The choice is yours....don't cut off your nose to spite your face....

Jerry and CAL are holding guns to both sides of the XJT head....Do you feel lucky....well do ya..????

 

[L.A.pilot]

Joe,

I think you are painting an overly grim picture here. Wasn't there a discussion earlier about how this isn't a "hostile" take over. Guns pointed at heads, eh?

If you are an ASA pilot, what are you doing to get a single seniority list? I'm not talking cutting off noses here. How about pruning dead branches. We are not going to get anywhere unless people start saying, "enough is enough".

I have respect for the Aloha pilots that were willing to walk off the job so that the company would have to respect the seniority rights of other pilots, even though it meant that they themselves would be out of work. It was the right thing to do.

Why didn't you strike over seniority integration? Was it not a priority? Are your representives elected from within your ranks or are they appointed by ALPA national? Were you afraid you would be replaced by scabs?

The ExpressJet pilots don't need to strike, they just need to say, "no thank you". They already negotiated for a single list. Maybe SkyWest won't be interested anymore. Maybe ExpressJet will fail sometime in the future. Maybe not. Regardless, it is the right thing to do.

 

[Andy Neill]

Here is a true story about SkyWest: A new hire ground school was taking place on 9/11/01 in Salt Lake City. The students showed up to class after hearing some reports about the events of the morning, but not really knowing what is going on. The instructor comes into the room twenty minutes late, and starts calling on the students to go over homework problems. A few minutes into this, one of the students asks the instructor if he knew anything about what was going on. The instructor's response: "Well, yeah, but that's not really important here because it's happening way over in New York."

Don't be caught up in your own little world.

That's not the way I remember it and I was there. I saw it first hand - you got second hand info. I do remember that the class was kept and trained while other airlines cancelled classes in progress and sent folks home.

 

[yahooair]

L.A. Pilot, just curious...what fact do you have ASA airplanes went to Skywest? is this what your management kept telling you and all ASA pilots came to believe? or do you have a copy of the Bombardier order sheet. I am from YUL with alot of freinds who work for Bombardier. Until this day, i have not seen any switch from ASA to OO....please IM me cause I want to see firsthand where you guys got this info from...any ASA pilots, also please feel free.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

If a takeover by SKW doesn't happen, or we kill it by saying no thanks we'll just keep our contract intact, and then CAL proceeds to dismantle XJT as promised... Well, has CAL even considered just how quickly XJT will dismantle itself from the inside out due to immediately increased attrition of hundreds to any job with a bit more hope of a better future when we know we're finished? CAL is holding a gun to their own head here too. I forsee a lot of crew cancels for a long time if we go with the nuclear option here.

 

[flyboyzz1]

I'm pulling for the continued success of XJT but if what you say is true, bigshot, I hope that "ANY" you posted wasn't referring to airline jobs. I would guess most of the attrition would be FOs and lord knows it would be impossible to get on with someone worth while now days with the saturation.