SkyWest Had Made Hostile $3.50/Share Bid For ExpressJet

[ewrjet]

I can't wait until Republic comes in and back doors Skywest with a higher offer.

Shouldn't you guys be at temple or something??

Long live Express Jet!!

Idiot! I hope you don't really work at Express.

 

[BankAccount=0$]

I don't think that the issue here is SKYW owning XJT, the issue is that they want to change the very thing that protects our jobs here at XJT. It is quite possible that in 4-5 years XJT will no longer be flying for CAL or maybe even be in business thus negating our "job security", but it's a hard sell to believe that everything will be left exactly as it is when the first thing a potential suitor says is "well we'll have to alter your contract to make this thing work". It's the CAL flying that SkyWest is after not the XJT pilot group. Most XJT pilots know that, and they are not going to give the relief to SKYW management without a solid contractual right to not be played against another pilot group. The scope clause isn't part of our contract by accident.

 

[trip]

I can't wait until Republic comes in and back doors Skywest with a higher offer.

Shouldn't you guys be at temple or something??

Long live Express Jet/Chautauqua Airlines!!

Ego doing the talk, failing airline not doing the walk!

 

[Whydoitry]

Again, I ask, what is the rush? Why now? Is there some impending doom right around the corner that none of us can see? The earliest airframes go away is Dec of 2009. CAL is going to announce the merger with UAL next week. Maybe we should just see where this is going. This is not a bash at anyone, but is this how you guys handle emergencies in flight? Personally I like to evaluate the situation and not just react to the situation.

 

[ERJFO]

Your scope stops SkyWest from flying for UAL if CAL buys them. Or maybe E120 out of LAX or IAH again. It's to restrictive. What if SkyWest decides to buy another CAL feeder in 5 years?? What then?? XJT can't have it all... XTJ is backed in a corner with not to many ways out...Good luck.

We aren't just going to give up our scope (CBA 1/Letter 1) but I don't think we'd have any problem negotiating it away for something else.

One list with SkyWest, DOH, keep our pilot on our contract untill we have a union vote, and you can have our scope...

 

[BOX OFFICE]

amcnd is right. I know it looks scary right now, but this is a good thing for the future of the Xjet pilot group. If you want ONELIST there are other ways of obtaining that goal. This is not that time. If the Xjet pilot group wants to play hardball, then Xjet will die over the next 4 years (or less!!!!!) and ASA/SkyWest pilots will expand and fill in the gaps. Or, the Xjet group can be more than welcomed into the Inc. fold and be players in the future.

It took 14 pages for someone to finally say it. All of the superficial bickering is meaningless. Either XJT ALPA waives the scope and SKW buys them, or they join ACA/Independence Air in oblivion within two years or less.

If you XJT guys want to fall on your swords to "protect the profession" then by all means do so, but don't cry about it when the vultures at SkyWest and ASA gleefully take over your former flying.

Jerry Atkin is going to get your flying one way or the other. Either prosper by it or die by it. It's your choice, but SkyWest is like the Borg, and yes, "resistance is futile".

Now with that said, it seems that SkyWest has been the greatest thing that has ever happened to ASA, and Atkin did, after all, secure at least a 15 year future for ASA. He didn't have to do that. Maybe you should at least trust him a little and consider it.

 

[ERJFO]

It took 14 pages for someone to finally say it. All of the superficial bickering is meaningless. Either XJT ALPA waives the scope and SKW buys them, or they join ACA/Independence Air in oblivion within two years or less.

Like I said, the scope is in our contract for a reason and we'll let it go away. It's going to be negotiated for something - not just given away.

If you XJT guys want to fall on your swords to "protect the profession" then by all means do so, but don't cry about it when the vultures at SkyWest and ASA gleefully take over your former flying.

With what airplanes? Who's to say the company doesn't "fall on it's sword" agian to keep the flying away from someone else. I'm sure they are going to position themselves in a spot where SkyWest needs us more and more.

Jerry Atkin is going to get your flying one way or the other. Either prosper by it or die by it. It's your choice, but SkyWest is like the Borg, and yes, "resistance is futile".

We'll negotiate if the board wants to sell, and if SKYW wants to buy bad enough they will too.

Now with that said, it seems that SkyWest has been the greatest thing that has ever happened to ASA, and Atkin did, after all, secure at least a 15 year future for ASA. He didn't have to do that. Maybe you should at least trust him a little and consider it.

I'd trust him more if he put us on one list. We'll see what we can talk out of them.

 

[Goose Egg]

Shouldn't you guys be at temple or something??

Yes, as a matter of fact. And this is what we say there: "You will all be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Notice a pattern here?

Geeze, some people...

-Goose

 

[ewrjet]

Why are you guys beating your chests over something that is not ours to begin with and may not exist in 4 years anyway? The flying is not ours, it's CALs, and if they want to give it to someone else, the scope clause won't stop that.

You can wave the scope clause around all you want, but if we use the scope clause to keep from securing a future, then what good is it? If we tell Skywest or anyone else for that matter, that we won't waive the scope and we lose our flying and company what good did it do us?

Do you guys really think that Skywest would buy us and then try and shift the flying and airplanes over to one of thier other companies, incur all the training cost for thier pilots and MX guys, and just let us wither away? Remember CAL still has to do something with all those jets, so it's not like Skywest can just start using CRJs for the CAL stuff, and after thier experience with CHQ, I'm not sure CAL want's to use CRJs.

And, if the 70 seat scope at CAL goes away and Skywest starts using 70 seaters for the CAL stuff, I'd like to think Skywest would have us do it, but you know what, with no 70 seat program in place, we'd be no worse off then we are now.

 

[whosurdaddy?]

I'm going to make a prediction... United and continental will merge, they will want to reduce domestic capacity and 50 seat aircraft. they will want to increase the 70-90 seat market. if xjet wants to play ball then they will have a seat at the table and have an oppurtunity, if not then all those planes will go away, you then have reduced your 50 seat flying and skywest/asa will fill the void with crj-700's and 900's. they will NOT merge the senior lists, to many junior people at skywest to let that happen, plus uncle Jerry likes it that way. you can negoitate until your blue in the face, but i seriously doubt you'll get that. they will continue to run each airline separately. if down the line some decade they might merge, or they might make the airline profitable and then sell it off, you never know. Skywest is putting itself in a position to succeed in a post-merger world, either jump on the bandwagon or good luck with whatever you choose.
Just my two cents.

 

[ATRCA]

Plus, Uncle Jerry has already shown a good faith offer by securing your Continental flying before even offering to acquire ExpressJet. Does that not count for anything?

Serious? "Good Faith"...............now thats funny. I have never seen more Koolaide drinking in my life.

I want to throw up.

 

[whosurdaddy?]

Serious? "Good Faith"...............now thats funny. I have never seen more Koolaide drinking in my life.

I want to throw up.

it's delicious!!!!! uncle jerry always is breaking through the walls, passing the stuff out, we drink it up like it's going out of style!!! afterwards we turn into zombies and do whatever jerry says. oh just a second he just crashed through the wall again, time to drink up. can i have seconds?

 

[Future Furlough]

https://careers.homedepot.com/cg/

Don't think I haven't thought about it.

Apparently truck driving ain't a great option right now.

 

[No.W.]

I can't wait until Republic comes in and back doors Skywest with a higher offer.

Shouldn't you guys be at temple or something??

Long live Express Jet/Chautauqua Airlines!!

Not sure you guys have the cash(yet).(150 million compared to SKYW INC. 600 million)

Could be financed(I'm sure Republic could get good financing with their balance sheet).

Bidding wars are not good for anyone...

 

[Future Furlough]

So why not have a single list then? That's got to be easier and more productive than juggling three different entities.

All right gang. It was simply a rhetorical question. But once you strip all the emotion from the situation, why does it make more financial sense to have multiple companies doing the same business rather than one? Especially if flexibility and efficiency are the ultimate goal?