Skywest CRJ 705's for Delta??

[superjet]

I just got off of the the phone with a mechanic friend in Tucson and he said that SKW has 2 of them setting on the ramp in Delta colors. I don't know, anybody know anything about this?

 

[ohplease!]

I just got off of the the phone with a mechanic friend in Tucson and he said that SKW has 2 of them setting on the ramp in Delta colors. I don't know, anybody know anything about this?

Nothing to base this on but my own vision of whats coming but, BANK ON IT. 705's and bigger are coming to SKYW & ASA....soon.

 

[standaman]

I just got off of the the phone with a mechanic friend in Tucson and he said that SKW has 2 of them setting on the ramp in Delta colors. I don't know, anybody know anything about this?

May not be SKW birds and may not be 705's we here at Comair just starting sending some of our planes to Tuscon. Talked to an FO in ops that did it. Those could be the Delta Connection planes you saw.

 

[utahpilot]

http://www.skywest.com/media/fleet_sched.php
shows two 70s to be delivered in March in Delta Conn. paint to SkyWest

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Mesaba's getting them too! I just feel it... Oh, no wait... I get that feeling after I've had too much coffee in the morning. Time for a good....

MM

 

[General Lee]

Nothing to base this on but my own vision of whats coming but, BANK ON IT. 705's and bigger are coming to SKYW & ASA....soon.

Riiiiight. Maybe for United. Our group hasn't even voted on the 14% pay cut agreement, and apparently the current hang up is SCOPE. Nobody wants to give in on the 79 seat allowance, and we are asking ALPA to see if we will still have the right to strike if we take this deal. If we don't, then it may be shot down. Everyone knows scope is tops on our list right now. We want the 79 seaters. Worst case, maybe a USAir type deal---with our furloughs flying left seat on "your" 79 seaters will happen. Yeah, Atkins might go for it. Even if we do the arbitrator thing a precedent (USAIr furloughees flying at PSA and MESA left seat) has already been established. That would likely be brought up if they don't want Delta mainline flying them (which may trigger a strike vote anyway) If you won't do it, then Mesa and CHQ probably will. BANK ON IT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

Nothing to base this on but my own vision of whats coming but, BANK ON IT. 705's and bigger are coming to SKYW & ASA....soon.

Highly doubt it. No way the mainline pilots allow that to happen - regardless of your blurred vision.

 

[ohplease!]

Riiiiight. Maybe for United. Our group hasn't even voted on the 14% pay cut agreement, and apparently the current hang up is SCOPE. Nobody wants to give in on the 79 seat allowance, and we are asking ALPA to see if we will still have the right to strike if we take this deal. If we don't, then it may be shot down. Everyone knows scope is tops on our list right now. We want the 79 seaters. Worst case, maybe a USAir type deal---with our furloughs flying left seat on "your" 79 seaters will happen. Yeah, Atkins might go for it. Even if we do the arbitrator thing a precedent (USAIr furloughees flying at PSA and MESA left seat) has already been established. That would likely be brought up if they don't want Delta mainline flying them (which may trigger a strike vote anyway) If you won't do it, then Mesa and CHQ probably will. BANK ON IT.


Bye Bye--General Lee

you may well be right. I don't think so but, thats just my opinion. Of course I'm not nearly as edumacated as the great general lee. I's just a simple RJ capt....we shall see though. If you're right, you can say I told ya' so....if not.....well....you know.

 

[General Lee]

you may well be right. I don't think so but, thats just my opinion. Of course I'm not nearly as edumacated as the great general lee. I's just a simple RJ capt....we shall see though. If you're right, you can say I told ya' so....if not.....well....you know.

You guys seem to like to put yourselves down. Why is that? You should be educated enough to understand that bigger planes at DCI mean less better paying jobs at the major level. (oh, that's right, you like your schedule and weekends off) Talk about outsourcing better paying jobs. You must be for that. Sad. CAL is hiring now---go for it if you want to fly bigger planes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

You guys seem to like to put yourselves down. Why is that? You should be educated enough to understand that bigger planes at DCI mean less better paying jobs at the major level. (oh, that's right, you like your schedule and weekends off) Talk about outsourcing better paying jobs. You must be for that. Sad. CAL is hiring now---go for it if you want to fly bigger planes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

and live in Guam or worse (New York)? No thanks. Yes I do like my schedule and not everyone aspires to fly for mainline somebody nor will MOST be able to.

 

[General Lee]

and live in Guam or worse (New York)? No thanks. Yes I do like my schedule and not everyone aspires to fly for mainline somebody nor will MOST be able to.

They would have a better chance at aircraft and pay advancement if they agreed with the rest of us that more larger planes at the majors may allow more jobs for you or others. I know that you don't make the decisions, but being "pro growth" at the regionals when it comes to larger planes is just hurting the industry. You may want to stay with your situation, and that is your right. But, the majority behind you and around you want to advance UPWARD.


And, I just found this nugget about our last agreement deal and the arbitrators:


"The decision of the third party neutrals on the rejection issue will be final with only very limited appeal rights. If the panel allows rejection of the PWA, ALPA retains all rights that we would otherwise have in a bankruptcy court rejection."


I think that means we could still strike if we don't get an agreement or the panel of three votes the other way. The only way we would get to the point to use the neutrals would be if we couldn't come up with our own agreement, and they would only decide whether or not to go through with the 1113c process, which dumps the whole contract. Then, we would have the same right as we would with a bankruptcy judge, which would be to possibly strike. We did choose two of the three neutrals, so hopefully at least two of them will see our way concerning scope. Also, it would be best if we could just come up with an agreement with the company first. We shall see.


And, Guam is fun, except for the snakes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

You guys seem to like to put yourselves down. Why is that? You should be educated enough to understand that bigger planes at DCI mean less better paying jobs at the major level. (oh, that's right, you like your schedule and weekends off) Talk about outsourcing better paying jobs. You must be for that. Sad. CAL is hiring now---go for it if you want to fly bigger planes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

The problem is the mainline operation. What is the incentive to want to go to mainline anymore? the pensions? the great pay? job security?good management? I would not hold my breath on having furloughed delta pilots flying left seat for DCI anytime soon. You did not want anypart of our petition for one senoirity list in 1999, why is it OK for your furloughed pilots to take left seat positions from our pilots? Is Delta buying these alleged 79 seaters or is Skywest?

 

[737 Pylt]

The problem is the mainline operation. What is the incentive to want to go to mainline anymore? the pensions? the great pay? job security?good management?

Agreed, as a matter of fact, I hear more people talking about getting out!

I would not hold my breath on having furloughed delta pilots flying left seat for DCI anytime soon.

It worked at PSA/CHQ, why not. Your new hires go into the right seat, your company gets more airplanes, and your seniority doesn't get affected, frankly its a win win situation. DAL pilots flying DAL passengers.

You did not want anypart of our petition for one senoirity list in 1999, why is it OK for your furloughed pilots to take left seat positions from our pilots? Is Delta buying these alleged 79 seaters or is Skywest?

Your petition for 1 seniority list was a joke, you know it, and so do I. Again new planes means more growth, your seniority is not affected as DAL furloughees go under your respective seniority, your company gets the planes and growth, and DAL pilots flying DAL passengers.
737

 

[Sinca3]

It seems the only people the ¨so called¨growth would benefit are those new hires that are filling the right seat.
I am all for the furloughs to fly for homever will hire them, but to take away a seat or better schedule from me or anyone else that has been with their airline longer than the furloughed pilot was with Delta is not right. You may control the flying (Mainline carrier) and all the seats behind the cockpit door, but the regional companies OWN the aircraft.
Come up with a better solution and I´m sure the majority of the pilots at (enter airline name) will go for it.....until then I will not agree to this practice.

 

[ohplease!]

And, Guam is fun, except for the snakes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I think you're right about still being able to call a strike. I just hope all invloved reach some type of compromise and get this train back on the track. For all our sakes.

I really, really, REALLY don't like snakes. But that would be better than NewYork.

 

[General Lee]

The problem is the mainline operation. What is the incentive to want to go to mainline anymore? the pensions? the great pay? job security?good management? I would not hold my breath on having furloughed delta pilots flying left seat for DCI anytime soon. You did not want anypart of our petition for one senoirity list in 1999, why is it OK for your furloughed pilots to take left seat positions from our pilots? Is Delta buying these alleged 79 seaters or is Skywest?

So, you will make more as a SkyWest or ASA Captain on the CR7 forever, rather than start at DL or CAL and move up to 777 FO, or 737 Capt eventually? It could take a while, but your pay would go up. But, you would rather keep your weekends off right now, right? Riiiiight.

As far as furloughs flying in the left seat of DCI plane, it is the next answer if Dalpa can't get the 79 seaters for ourselves. (Unlikely we will give them up anyway) Does Jerry Atkin really care who flies the planes? He wants money. Other airlines have allowed it, and it may be the ONLY way. Mesa will probably GLADLY accept that. Orenstein really doesn't care. Who would be buying the planes, you ask? How did Air Canada afford the Emb-175s, Emb-190s, and 15 777s along with 20 787s after their bankruptcy? They were days from liquidation, and now they have a whole new fleet. Also, the Brazilian and Canadian governments would likely finance any deal just to keep their workers on the production line. I have heard financing with EMB and Canadair is NOT a problem. Boeing, on the other hand, is not budging very much from their suggested retail prices because of their huge amounts of orders as of late. And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mookie]

Genral,

Who let you out of the HRSA unit??

What leverage do you guys have to implement these "left seat" entitlements? Just for the record, when the us airways deal was presented to SkyWest, we told them to shove back in 02. I'm betting it'll be likewise again...

Shouldn't you be studying for your upgrade instead of wasting time on the regional boards?

by the way the 705's don't have 79 seats...
Mookie

 

[ohplease!]

And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'd gladly have accepted that. Just another example of why I'm not sure ASA-ALPA is negotiating in good faith for whats best for me. Had they been realistic about one list, all of this stuff we're all arguing about would be a non-issue. Like AA\eagle, we'd all have had to suck it up for a while and now we'd be moving forward again. As it stands now, Dalpa will fight against DCI and DCI will try to undercut you guy's. Again, not my system.

For the record: I would not mind DAL furloughs flying left seat in 100 (or whatever) seaters here. They will eventually move on and leave the equipment behind. In the mean time, they'll be back flying.

 

[General Lee]

Genral,

Who let you out of the HRSA unit??

What leverage do you guys have to implement these "left seat" entitlements? Just for the record, when the us airways deal was presented to SkyWest, we told them to shove back in 02. I'm betting it'll be likewise again...

Shouldn't you be studying for your upgrade instead of wasting time on the regional boards?

by the way the 705's don't have 79 seats...
Mookie

HRSA unit? Oooooookay.

Will Atkin allow expansion to go to Mesa, again? Maybe he will do it. You have no union, so you can't really do much.

Again, Mookie, I haven't been awarded it because I am waiting for the next advanced Entitlement. Have you done your CR7 conversion training yet?

How many seats do the CRJ-705s have? Give me an aircraft with exactly 79 seats? The E175? How about a CR9 with first class seats in them? Regardless, we want them. It will be interesting to see what happens. At least the strike option is there, and that could affect exit financing. We'll see, and I hope we get an agreement in the meantime......Even the Governor of Georgia stated he "guaranteed" a settlement before any strike. Sunny Perdue---what a great Governor......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'd gladly have accepted that. Just another example of why I'm not sure ASA-ALPA is negotiating in good faith for whats best for me. Had they been realistic about one list, all of this stuff we're all arguing about would be a non-issue. Like AA\eagle, we'd all have had to suck it up for a while and now we'd be moving forward again. As it stands now, Dalpa will fight against DCI and DCI will try to undercut you guy's. Again, not my system.

For the record: I would not mind DAL furloughs flying left seat in 100 (or whatever) seaters here. They will eventually move on and leave the equipment behind. In the mean time, they'll be back flying.

Unlikely we would leave 100 seaters at DCI.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That is a bunch of crap!

 

[ohplease!]

Unlikely we would leave 100 seaters at DCI.


Bye Bye--General Lee

not sure you'd have much to say about it. but, again, I don't know all the particulars about it.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

DAL pilots flying DAL passengers.

Wow, sounds like someone just took a long pull off the RJDC KoolAid jug.....

 

[79%N1]

Gen....

It doesnt matter what you want. "We want 'em" waaaaah. (Stomp, stomp, hold breath) Do you think anyone cares what you guys want? Now, maybe you can force the company into giving you stuff with your contract/scope. USair guys didnt get J4J because they merely wanted it. They forced it on the other carriers. Delta will get an agreement for whatever is most cost sensible, and something tells me that isnt you Delta boys flying them! Now, maybe DALPA will work out a J4J agreement with CHQ or Mesa, so be it. Have fun working for them! Ask the USAIR boys who went to Mesa how that worked out! Talk about shock! Be that as it may, my point is you mainline Gods wont get what you want just because you declare 'We want them'!

That said, I could only support ML pilots coming here in a J4J with them holding what their ML seniority DOH gives them. NO WAY a pilot from ML hired in 02 or 01 should sit in the left seat above a guy at ASA or wherever that has been there 10-20 years! Sorry. Most of the Delta furloughees were FO's, so why are they too good to come to ASA/Skywest as FO's on the 900 or 705 or whatever? What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

 

[Sinca3]

What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

Thank you!!

 

[Mookie]

General,

Yes, I have done my 70 seat training. And for that matter, the 705 and 900 training as well. thanks

Mookie

 

[jehtplane]

Gen....

It doesnt matter what you want. "We want 'em" waaaaah. (Stomp, stomp, hold breath) Do you think anyone cares what you guys want? Now, maybe you can force the company into giving you stuff with your contract/scope. USair guys didnt get J4J because they merely wanted it. They forced it on the other carriers. Delta will get an agreement for whatever is most cost sensible, and something tells me that isnt you Delta boys flying them! Now, maybe DALPA will work out a J4J agreement with CHQ or Mesa, so be it. Have fun working for them! Ask the USAIR boys who went to Mesa how that worked out! Talk about shock! Be that as it may, my point is you mainline Gods wont get what you want just because you declare 'We want them'!

That said, I could only support ML pilots coming here in a J4J with them holding what their ML seniority DOH gives them. NO WAY a pilot from ML hired in 02 or 01 should sit in the left seat above a guy at ASA or wherever that has been there 10-20 years! Sorry. Most of the Delta furloughees were FO's, so why are they too good to come to ASA/Skywest as FO's on the 900 or 705 or whatever? What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

Exactly! Why is it always protect mainline jobs, what about protecting jobs for the regional pilots?

 

[9rj9]

question..

Does ASA still have pref-hiring even though they are no longer part of Delta.

 

[MedFlyer]

HRSA unit? Oooooookay.

Give me an aircraft with exactly 79 seats? The E175? How about a CR9 with first class seats in them? Regardless, we want them. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Bye Bye--General Lee

My how the mighty have fallen....groveling and begging to fly a 79 seat plane.

The only way DALPA will get these planes is if you agree to Mesa type wages. But if that happens, how many pilots will actually want to fly these planes for $50K a year? Even most DAL furloughees will balk at pay that low.

But if DL management and DALPA can't come to an agreement, DL management will just buy lots of 70 seaters. The precedent for that has already been set.

 

[DoinTime]

I just got off of the the phone with a mechanic friend in Tucson and he said that SKW has 2 of them setting on the ramp in Delta colors. I don't know, anybody know anything about this?

According to Bombardier there are only 15 CRJ-705s in existance and they have all been delivered to Air Canada. Currently, there are no outstanding orders for the 705.