Skywest Concessions

[Ski Bum]

In the latest SAPA President's message a proposal on deadhead pay was discussed.

Our current deadhead policy states that we will receive 100% flight pay for the scheduled block time. Under this new proposal we will be compensated for the "historic block time" (which is a time created by management from...you guessed it...a historical average of block times on that flight). The only problem is that management can change this time as they see fit (they did so immediately following our "pay raise" by an average of 8% according to BH in a SAPA email distributed to all Skywest pilots). In addition, we all know that the historic block times are less than the scheduled block times.

So to summarize, Skywest management has a new proposal that will pay us less for deadheads. I hope this doesn't slip under the radar and that we realize that this is a concession. But then again that is how Skywest works, they chip away at the pilots by making small "policy changes" that add up quickly.

For those pilots who claim to be too new to Skywest to really see how the policies have changed to degrade our compensation and quality of life...here it is. Now you see it. It might only be 10-15 minutes, or maybe you never deadhead, but it only takes a couple of these adjustments to make a substantial impact.

It is time to get our policies in a legally binding contract to prevent these policy changes from taking what we already have.

It is time to unionize.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

And if you enter a hold then what? or get diverted? or the actual flight time exceeds block by 20 mins. And lets just suppose you have 3 dH's in a 1 month schedule.

Kiss an hour of pay goodby..

 

[WWEfan]

Well now is your chance to do something about it.

 

[NWaviator]

I always felt bad when going from LAX to FAT, when I worked for Eagle. If we got off before SkyWest "for sequencing" Skywest would get slow to 170 or less.

 

[EBE]

And if you enter a hold then what? or get diverted? or the actual flight time exceeds block by 20 mins. And lets just suppose you have 3 dH's in a 1 month schedule.

Kiss an hour of pay goodby..

If we just don't pay attention for awhile, based on SkyWest Mgmt's track record, we'll wake up one day and find ourselves working for free. Wait.... I guess we already do that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Any minute now, SkyNation will chime in how it's best to take care of the company and that the deadhead concession is a small price to pay to keep SkyWest management interest in taking care of them.

He'll say all of you "unionazis" just want to burn the place down. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. SAPA truly does have the best interests of the Skywest pilots in mind.

Skywest pilots, we got a contract. It's pretty good. Get off the dime and vote in ALPA, then get you some of it. If you vote no, Jerry may match us for you, but it won't be permanent.

 

[jayme]

I love how BH is coming out with a "letter of clarification." In it he clarifies that DH on Skywest airplanes will be paid hostorical block (aka "credit").

The present policy is that it is paid based on SCEDULED BLOCK. There is nothing to "clarify."

 

[OARfan]

Any minute now, SkyNation will chime in how it's best to take care of the company and that the deadhead concession is a small price to pay to keep SkyWest management interest in taking care of them.

He'll say all of you "unionazis" just want to burn the place down. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. SAPA truly does have the best interests of the Skywest pilots in mind.

Skywest pilots, we got a contract. It's pretty good. Get off the dime and vote in ALPA, then get you some of it. If you vote no, Jerry may match us for you, but it won't be permanent.

Yeah SAPA is a joke. And I'm voting in the union, but not happily. Don't you realize you just got Skywest's work rules, the one's they've had for the past 7 years? 9 year crj capt at ASA makes roughly 74. Skywest $72. Take off 2% and you're making $.52 an hour more after Union dues. "Get us some of it"? Gimme a break.

 

[Jmoney]

Skynation......

Where are you toolbag? All I hear are crickets chirping.......

This idiot has criticized everything ASA pilots have done from day 1...... Now that he is getting screwed, where is he?

-Excellent point!

 

[Flyer2000]

You do realize that SkyWest has been paying "credit" (historical) times for all SkyWest DH flights for quite sometime?

that is BH's argument to many of the changes that come down is "this is how it has always been done". That statement was what he said about cancellation pay as well.

I think I will submit that if the company wants the concession of credit times for DH, then perhaps we should counter with.....credit or actual whichever is greater.

 

[scott hall]

Yeah SAPA is a joke. And I'm voting in the union, but not happily. Don't you realize you just got Skywest's work rules, the one's they've had for the past 7 years? 9 year crj capt at ASA makes roughly 74. Skywest $72. Take off 2% and you're making $.52 an hour more after Union dues. "Get us some of it"? Gimme a break.

Take a look at the CR7 rates, they are alot higher than Skywest about $5-$8 per hour, plus profit sharing and the rigs. Ohh and look at the F/O rates too. ASA takes care of it' s pilot's, every 5 years!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah SAPA is a joke. And I'm voting in the union, but not happily. Don't you realize you just got Skywest's work rules, the one's they've had for the past 7 years? 9 year crj capt at ASA makes roughly 74. Skywest $72. Take off 2% and you're making $.52 an hour more after Union dues. "Get us some of it"? Gimme a break.

We may have just gotten your work rules, but now they can't simply be taken away next week with the stroke of a pen. Yours can. No union, no guarantees. ASA may become the new darling of Skywest Inc. Y'all may want to lock your deal in while you still can.

 

[jayme]

You do realize that SkyWest has been paying "credit" (historical) times for all SkyWest DH flights for quite sometime?

that is BH's argument to many of the changes that come down is "this is how it has always been done". That statement was what he said about cancellation pay as well.

I wonder if Brad would be OK with me fudging my times by changing the clock in the AFIS. If I get away with it long enough, I'm golden. I just say "Sure Brad, I'm stealing, but I've been doing it for years! You should have caught me earlier."

 

[www.]

We may have just gotten your work rules, but now they can't simply be taken away next week with the stroke of a pen. Yours can. No union, no guarantees. ASA may become the new darling of Skywest Inc. Y'all may want to lock your deal in while you still can.

But wait there's more!
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We do not have PBS, Skywest does.​

 

[OCP]

But wait there's more!​

We do not have PBS, Skywest does.​

And which type of PBS system was negociated for the Skywest pilots? Oh wait... It wasn't.

 

[COOPERVANE]

We may have just gotten your work rules, but now they can't simply be taken away next week with the stroke of a pen. Yours can. No union, no guarantees. ASA may become the new darling of Skywest Inc. Y'all may want to lock your deal in while you still can.

Easy....Easy Let's not get crazy!!

ASA will never be JA's darling.

Mostly a thorn in his side.

 

[Fishpaw]

Originally Posted By Flyer2000
You do realize that SkyWest has been paying "credit" (historical) times for all SkyWest DH flights for quite sometime?

that is BH's argument to many of the changes that come down is "this is how it has always been done". That statement was what he said about cancellation pay as well.

I think I will submit that if the company wants the concession of credit times for DH, then perhaps we should counter with.....credit or actual whichever is greater.

How did Skywest change cancellation pay?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Where are you toolbag? All I hear are crickets chirping.......

This idiot has criticized everything ASA pilots have done from day 1...... Now that he is getting screwed, where is he?

-Excellent point!

He is in a bathroom at the MSP airport tapping his foot, but as soon as they open the stall door and see him dressed in the F/As uniform they want no blowjob from him/it.
PBR

 

[Ski Bum]

Cancellation Pay was paid this way for 35 years...

Credit / Actual Block / PAID
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:45
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:45
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
6.00 / 3:30 / 6:30

Recently (last few months) it has been paid this way...

Credit / Actual Block / PAID
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:30
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
6.00 / 3:30 / 6.00

In other words we are getting paid only our minimum daily guarantee instead of block or better plus cancellation pay.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Yeah SAPA is a joke. And I'm voting in the union, but not happily. Don't you realize you just got Skywest's work rules, the one's they've had for the past 7 years? 9 year crj capt at ASA makes roughly 74. Skywest $72. Take off 2% and you're making $.52 an hour more after Union dues. "Get us some of it"? Gimme a break.

It's almost $6.00 an hour more at ASA on the 200 at the top end...that's pretty substantial!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I didn't really care for Skywest to go ALPA previously. I have always been a union person but when my fiancee started there, I thought Skywest treated their pilots pretty well. However, after the joke of a "pay raise" that management gave (even with a possible union vote looming), it just shows me that they no longer want to treat the pilots fairly or give a crap. I say if you guys don't vote it in, that will be management's sign that they can pretty much do whatever they want to you.....and they will.

 

[joe_pilot]

Cancellation Pay was paid this way for 35 years...

Credit / Actual Block / PAID
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:45
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:45
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
6.00 / 3:30 / 6:30

Recently (last few months) it has been paid this way...

Credit / Actual Block / PAID
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:30
1:30 / 1:45 / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
1:30 / CXL / 1:30
6.00 / 3:30 / 6.00

In other words we are getting paid only our minimum daily guarantee instead of block or better plus cancellation pay.

Good Info. Thanks Ski Bum.

Now what I want to know is what % of pay does DH represent on average? No, no, I am NOT defending this policy. I'm just trying to get honest, good data. Yes, I agree we need to stop the slide, but I also want real info.

Anybody have an idea about this?

Thanks,

-JP

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Good Info. Thanks Ski Bum.

Now what I want to know is what % of pay does DH represent on average? No, no, I am NOT defending this policy. I'm just trying to get honest, good data. Yes, I agree we need to stop the slide, but I also want real info.

Anybody have an idea about this?

Thanks,

-JP

Almost every one of my trips last month had at least one DH and sometimes more...and on the majority the actual block time was significantly longer than the actual credit we got paid!!! It adds up over the course of a month, let alone the full year!!!!

 

[jayme]

It's the principle to me. "Clarification" my ass. It is perfectly clear, no need to clarifiy anything, just man up and pay us like you agreed to.