Skywest and Aspen

[Crossky]

I hope skywest has the same amount we had...0.

To my knowledge, I think you're right, we never had an engine failure on the Bae-146 on a balked landing / missed approach.

But I'm positive one of our flights had an uncontained engine failure on TO. Wx was nice and they continued to Denver. they made a CRM video of it.

We heard the rumor early on that you all are restricted from 25 - 45 pax depending on the weather. True?


From ArcticFlier's post:

"A balked landing (after SENOW) should only be executed as a last resort
and only in the event a safe landing cannot otherwise be assured, i.e.
windshear, turbulence, aircraft on runway etc. If an engine failure occurs
after SENOW, a balked landing attempt may NOT clear all terrain in the
flight path, depending on the altitude at which the balked landing is
initiated, aircraft weight, and atmospheric conditions. Even with all
engines operating, there is still a risk that an engine failure could occur
during the balked landing climb-out. As such, good descent and approach
planning and proper procedure execution are vital in avoiding a situation
when a balked landing is necessary."

This on the SKW approach plate, correct? If so that's scary. I'm also positive that AWAC's Bae-146 plates never had this warning, because an engine failure would render you with three good ones of course.

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[AvroGuy]

the crj has better climb peroformance then the RJ 85. But short field, I would take the avro. I see no problem with it going into ase. I currently fly the CRJ7 and did fly the RJ85. Both have good engine out performance. The crj is a better climb cruise performer but eats up the runway on TO compared to the AVRO. Just look at the wings. The CRJ has very thin, highly sweeped wings compared to the avro. I never had the chance to go to ase while at xj and probably never will with AE

 

[sweptback]

What is the deal with bidding Aspen? I wouldn't think most pilots would want to bother with the training and the associated hassles unless there is some sort of carrot attached, like a pay override or something?

 

[Ridgeback]

This is another example of someone (Skywest) being told no and they keep at it until somone (Feds) finally give in. let's read that balked landing info for what it is. You will crash into the granit, you will burn up on the side of a mountain.... I'm sorry but some of you speak of your great training and number of observation flights, fact is what good is it if your equipment can't perform? I can hear the cockpit data recorder now. But I was trained to do this....ahhhh ****. I wish you all the luck in the world that you don't fail that engine on a balk, but hey at least you get to tell the chicks in the bar you fly to Aspen....oh ya for 21 dollars an hour....

 

[rickair7777]

What is the deal with bidding Aspen? I wouldn't think most pilots would want to bother with the training and the associated hassles unless there is some sort of carrot attached, like a pay override or something?

Sometimes they draft people to do it.

Apparently you can get a lot of days off. I think the overnights are good too.

Also heard you have limited schedule flexibility due to only a few qualified folks on hand.

 

[rtmcfi]

Yes, a balked landing is possible.

A balked landing may be possible, but

A balked landing (after SENOW) should only be executed as a last resort
and only in the event a safe landing cannot otherwise be assured, i.e.
windshear, turbulence, aircraft on runway etc. If an engine failure occurs
after SENOW, a balked landing attempt may NOT clear all terrain in the
flight path, depending on the altitude at which the balked landing is
initiated, aircraft weight, and atmospheric conditions

is none too comforting.

 

[rtmcfi]

It's the single engine balked procedure that is the problem. What do you do if you have to go around at 50 ft due to severe windshear and then during the go around you bag an engine. The 146 was safe due to it's ability to circle very slowly in a 30 degree bank. I wouldn't want to be on the CR7 in that situation. Bombardier told our company that it wasn't possible. I'm sure they wanted to sell us CR7s. I'm sure the Skywest crews are trained very well. How much info have Skywest crews recieved on the single engine balked landing though? Aren't you commited to land at a certain point per Skywest training?

BINGO!!! We have a winner! When I or my loved ones go to ASE, it will be in a Dash. Sorry to say, but the Mesa dudes have the right tool for the job in this case.

 

[ArcticFlier]

From ArcticFlier's post:

"A balked landing (after SENOW) should only be executed as a last resort
and only in the event a safe landing cannot otherwise be assured, i.e.
windshear, turbulence, aircraft on runway etc. If an engine failure occurs
after SENOW, a balked landing attempt may NOT clear all terrain in the
flight path, depending on the altitude at which the balked landing is
initiated, aircraft weight, and atmospheric conditions. Even with all
engines operating, there is still a risk that an engine failure could occur
during the balked landing climb-out. As such, good descent and approach
planning and proper procedure execution are vital in avoiding a situation
when a balked landing is necessary."​

This on the SKW approach plate, correct? If so that's scary. I'm also positive that AWAC's Bae-146 plates never had this warning, because an engine failure would render you with three good ones of course.​

I don't believe it's on the 11-7. It is in our SOP, though.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Random thought:

How much performance have you lost if you bag an engine in the -700? How about the -146?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This should be printed on all ASE boarding passes:

If an engine failure occurs after SENOW, a balked landing attempt may NOT clear all terrain in the flight path, depending on the altitude at which the balked landing is initiated, aircraft weight, and atmospheric conditions. Even with all
engines operating, there is still a risk that an engine failure could occur
during the balked landing climb-out. As such, good descent and approach
planning and proper procedure execution are vital in avoiding a situation
when a balked landing is necessary. AS ALWAYS, THERE IS MORE TO A W2 THAN HOURLY RATE. Thank you for your patronage.