Skywest and ASA

[Willy21]

One point that hasn't been made, it will cost a substantial amount to pay moving costs to all the management people, pilots, and FAs to move back to ATL. How that compares to over all cost savings for having someone operate the same aircraft for less, I don't know.

Look at what happened when ASA closed DFW, we lost more pilots than mgmt had thought. That made it hard to keep staffing levels where they needed to be. SLC has a lot of DFW pilots that might not want to move twice in less than 18 months. We just got our training department caught up on training cycles, don't think they want to get behind again. Closing down the base, I think it will happen in time, but it is more than just moving costs that will determine the time.

As for the airplanes, for Skywest to operate the 700 in SLC they would have to get some from the factory. Airplanes won't just be moved from ASA to Skywest. It is more than just operating costs that mgmt has to look at.

 

[Willy21]

We have a 3:45 min. daily guarantee

What are some of the other things you can credit each month.

 

[Socalplt]

Duty guarantee minimum 1.0hr pay for every two hours of scheduled duty.
Premium guarantee if the trip is originally scheduled for more than 12 hours you'll get 1 hour of pay for each duty hour past 12. ie 13 hours of duty = min 7.0 hours of pay, 14 hours duty= mininmum 8.0 hours pay. Again this is all off scheduled time. If you show up for duty day scheduled for 6 hours and it runs to 14 these guarantees don't apply. Pay per leg based on the greater of actual flight time or historical credit. Full pay for cancellations (except in certain situations while on reserve) and full pay for all deadheads. Junior man trips pay time and a half and are not mandatory. If you are pulled off a trip for training you'll receive the greater value between the two.

 

[79%N1]

Duty guarantee minimum 1.0hr pay for every two hours of scheduled duty.
Premium guarantee if the trip is originally scheduled for more than 12 hours you'll get 1 hour of pay for each duty hour past 12. ie 13 hours of duty = min 7.0 hours of pay, 14 hours duty= mininmum 8.0 hours pay. Again this is all off scheduled time. If you show up for duty day scheduled for 6 hours and it runs to 14 these guarantees don't apply. Pay per leg based on the greater of actual flight time or historical credit. Full pay for cancellations (except in certain situations while on reserve) and full pay for all deadheads. Junior man trips pay time and a half and are not mandatory. If you are pulled off a trip for training you'll receive the greater value between the two.

I'm alrealdy at over 900 hours of pay for 600-650 of block for the year.

With contract language like that......ASA is MUCH CHEAPER than SKW in terms of overall compensation! Everybody needs to quit looking at hourly costs when determining overall compensation. Other factors such as insurance, retirement or 401k contributions all factor into overall labor costs! And even still, lets not forget that crew costs differences is minimal in determining which company has the cheapest costs!!!!! WE PILOTS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS!!! Comair has some of the highest crew costs, but overall low costs....

Anyway, we at ASA get our hourly rate, block or better.....PERIOD! Time and 1/2 only for a reschedule outside our footprint. Nothing more. Sounds like SKYW has an overall better compensation package, buy hey....3 1/6 years into negotiations and we arent even to those "small" items yet!!!

 

[Willy21]

ASA has nothing like that in our contract at this time. Skywest might not have the 70 seat rate that ASA does, but I think I would take you work rules over ours anyday. In the end I think you would see that a Skywest pilot makes more than an ASA pilot.

 

[Rogue5]

Mine is bigger than yours...

Oh wait, what were we talking about?

 

[Willy21]

Oh wait, what were we talking about?

We need to be on one list.

 

[Rogue5]

We need to be on one list.

Strange thing is, most SKYW pilots I talk to believe that is fundamental as well...

 

[Crash Pad]

WHAT!!! The non-union carrier has a better contract. Whichcraft I say! Burn them at the stake!

 

[Bluto]

Um, careful there. I think what you meant to say was: the non-union carrier has a better "company policy manual". Witchcraft...etc. etc.

 

[It'll Fly]

Hold it tight there! Willy21 are you serious? If in the end SKYW pilots make more or the QOL (per Bluto's CPM) is better, what has your union been doing for you? (There is absolutely no Sarcasm Intended in this post!)

I also heard that SKYW Inc. is implementing an Employee incentive program for ASA. Is that true?

 

[wms]

If SKW offered their work rules, a 10% raise, 70-seat rates and 100% retro-pay, I'd vote ALPA out.

 

[wms]

Hold it tight there! Willy21 are you serious? If in the end SKYW pilots make more or the QOL (per Bluto's CPM) is better, what has your union been doing for you? (There is absolutely no Sarcasm Intended in this post!)

I also heard that SKYW Inc. is implementing an Employee incentive program for ASA. Is that true?

One of the Q&As from JA said they were looking at how to include ASA in the profit sharing. Of course, if it was up to ASA mgmt it would be for non-union employees until our contract was amended. 'Cause you can do something that's not in the contract, right?

 

[Bluto]

If SKW offered their work rules, a 10% raise, 70-seat rates and 100% retro-pay, I'd vote ALPA out.

If they offered that to SkyWest pilots ALPA wouldn't be voted in. Want to see which one happens first?

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA and Skywest

I personally feel it is a "Good Thing" (to quote Martha). ASA was misguided under it's last MGT. It could not get any worse. I really hate to loose the passes we had under Delta, but I'd much rather have a good work environment and a job.