Skywest Aircraft Transfer--Let the Games Begin

[Speedtape]

According to the SkyWest Flight Ops Weekly Update for Sep. 1:
ASA
Effective Oct. 1st, they will be pulling the out of their SLC domicile. They will however, keep their crew lounge and office place during the transition of CRJ 700’s to SkyWest Airlines. It should be approximately 4 to 6 months before we start using the offices and lounge areas in the B concourse. Computers for crews will be available in our CS break room below B-8.



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[Crash Pad]

Ok so now all the doubters have something in print from both airlines. Come on Union guys spin this. I can't keep track of every tail number in the fleet so if the SKYW pilot that flies one of our 70's could let us know which one is the first this board would really appreciate it.

 

[ReportCanoa]

They can have them. Is it really worth raising blood pressure over?

 

[outtahere]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

 

[Newpilot2b]

Outtahere,
Tell us how you really feel.

 

[jegermeister]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

Are you for real? SkyWest bought ASA for what its assets were worth. If they shut it down, the only ones to lose are the employee groups at ASA. On the other hand if you jump ship now and go to SkyWest, then I could see your argument.

I know this is not a popular view, especially with the hard line union guys. But if we keep up our current strategy with the contract we are going to win the battle and lose the war. Delta and J.A. will not let us shut this place down on our own terms. They will take this to the 11th hour and in the end give us what we want. The union leadership will declare victory and those who questioned them will be shown once and for all the folly in their thinking. Then the transfer will continue. Not start but continue. Until eventually ASA is shadow of what it once was.

Is JA going to do this because he's mean? No. He's going to do it to protect his airline SkyWest. As ASA shrinks (along with it's problems..company culture, union, poor image) SkyWest will grow. Increasing his stock and giving him enough leverage to keep a union off his propety.

Oh and by the way, I'm not anti union just anti pissing contest with no way to win.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

There is the door.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you for real? SkyWest bought ASA for what its assets were worth. If they shut it down, the only ones to lose are the employee groups at ASA. On the other hand if you jump ship now and go to SkyWest, then I could see your argument.

I know this is not a popular view, especially with the hard line union guys. But if we keep up our current strategy with the contract we are going to win the battle and lose the war. Delta and J.A. will not let us shut this place down on our own terms. They will take this to the 11th hour and in the end give us what we want. The union leadership will declare victory and those who questioned them will be shown once and for all the folly in their thinking. Then the transfer will continue. Not start but continue. Until eventually ASA is shadow of what it once was.

Is JA going to do this because he's mean? No. He's going to do it to protect his airline SkyWest. As ASA shrinks (along with it's problems..company culture, union, poor image) SkyWest will grow. Increasing his stock and giving him enough leverage to keep a union off his propety.

Oh and by the way, I'm not anti union just anti pissing contest with no way to win.

Very well said Jeger. You've seen this show played out before on another property that had a great contract. Some are only interested in Pyrrhic victories.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

I feel like you're holding back.


Problem is that this hole has been being dug deeper and deeper by divisions in the pilot group as a whole. Management recognizes human nature while the unions seem to ignore both this and market forces.

The only real hope is in what the regionals are doing right now as odd as it would seem. As the companies seek to consolidate certifcates into several holding groups; Republic, Mesa, Skywest, etc, they are are slowly stripping away the leverage they hold over their pilot groups. As time progresses and pilot groups merge together under single lists and sets of work rules, their ability to hold sway over the holding company will also grow.

All this takes time to transpire. We lost out battle at TSA. ASA may also lose but there needs to be some temperance in what ASA's pilot group seeks right now. We all find oourselves at a crossroad with no real nice way to turn. What shold have happened at TSA is that we should have swallowed the bitter pill, gotten the flying and fought the fight after words when we had more of a leg to stand on. MEsa had to do this and as much as they are reviled for it, they may very well raise the bar for all us.

I believe this is the same path that should be taken at ASA. Take what's reasonable enough to keep ASSA afloat, then work towards a merger with the SKyWest group. A unified SkyWest group like Mesa (we'll see next uear when their contract becomes amendable) could be quite powerful when it came to a contact negotiation.

Fight the fight for down the road. Change takes time and can be much more effective incrementally than cramming it down someone's throat.

 

[atrdriver]

Very well said Jeger. You've seen this show played out before on another property that had a great contract. Some are only interested in Pyrrhic victories.

Fine Joe, how bout we just offer to extend what we currently have for another 8 years. We are already less expensive than the Skywest pilots. Do you think that will stop their games? How bout we offer to fly at 1/2 our current rates? Think that will stop them?

 

[Crizz]

We are already less expensive than the Skywest pilots.

So on one hand, Skywest pilots are lowering the bar making less money - but somehow they cost more doing it...?

 

[MELIT]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

Skywest guys made skywest Inc. the money to buy ASA. So in a round about way......

 

[Speedtape]

Ok so now all the doubters have something in print from both airlines. Come on Union guys spin this. I can't keep track of every tail number in the fleet so if the SKYW pilot that flies one of our 70's could let us know which one is the first this board would really appreciate it.

N701EV

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

Good so then I assume I won't be seeing you or anyone else waiting to write up items in base or leaving ontime or anything else. If we (asa) continue to act spineless then this is the exact result that we all deserve.

According to the SkyWest Flight Ops Weekly Update for Sep. 1:
ASA
Effective Oct. 1st, they will be pulling the out of their SLC domicile. They will however, keep their crew lounge and office place during the transition of CRJ 700’s to SkyWest Airlines. It should be approximately 4 to 6 months before we start using the offices and lounge areas in the B concourse. Computers for crews will be available in our CS break room below B-8.




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[outtahere]

The solution to all of our problems is Skywest signing in a union. Sure you guys have it great now over there, but once we get hosed you will be next. You bastards better hope and pray that we hit one out of the ball park or JA will be down your throat next and pulling at your purse strings. Its not that I dislike you guys, but the time has come to stand up and be counted or face the consequenses later. As for us at ASA, in my opinion I hope we get everything we are asking for. If that causes us to shrink then so be it, but I will not sell out. Hopefully atleast 50.1% of the rest of you feel the same way. Now back to your regularly scheduled b!tch session.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Everyone need to listen carefully to what Jegermeister and Turkey Shoot are saying. They both came to ASA from ALPA carriers that fought the good fight while their flying was outsourced. In the end, they had to give up their seniority and start all over here at ASA which is now going thru the EXACT SAME THING. Winning the battle is no good if you lose the war.

 

[MELIT]

The solution to all of our problems is Skywest signing in a union.

Another good one. Asking a non-union carrier to save your butt. Ask almighty ALPA for help. After all, they have done such a good job so far and you pay them bi-weekly.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Fine Joe, how bout we just offer to extend what we currently have for another 8 years. We are already less expensive than the Skywest pilots. Do you think that will stop their games? How bout we offer to fly at 1/2 our current rates? Think that will stop them?

The longer this drags out, the more we will have to give to get our flying back. Protecting our jobs is my primary concern. ALPA has totally failed ALL OF US in protecting jobs. The mainline carriers have lost over 15,000 jobs since 911. What is your solution? Continue to sit and complain while Jerry shifts the flying?

 

[JoeMerchant]

The solution to all of our problems is Skywest signing in a union. Sure you guys have it great now over there, but once we get hosed you will be next. You bastards better hope and pray that we hit one out of the ball park or JA will be down your throat next and pulling at your purse strings. Its not that I dislike you guys, but the time has come to stand up and be counted or face the consequenses later. As for us at ASA, in my opinion I hope we get everything we are asking for. If that causes us to shrink then so be it, but I will not sell out. Hopefully atleast 50.1% of the rest of you feel the same way. Now back to your regularly scheduled b!tch session.

What exactly will Skywest signing ALPA do to protect ASA jobs. If anything, it will make things more complicated. CMR and DAL are ALPA, but we never were able to get a single list when we were all owned by DAL. ALPA only wants Skywest to become ALPA first because it protects ALPA. ALPA is more concerned with ALPA than with ASA.

 

[outtahere]

What exactly will Skywest signing ALPA do to protect ASA jobs. If anything, it will make things more complicated. CMR and DAL are ALPA, but we never were able to get a single list when we were all owned by DAL. ALPA only wants Skywest to become ALPA first because it protects ALPA. ALPA is more concerned with ALPA than with ASA.

The only thing on JA's mind right now is keeping ALPA off the property at Skywest, he is willing to xfer our airplanes to them to keep them happy. However, if the Union was in place over there perhaps he would realize he needs two profitable carriers. Either way, I will not sell out, even if it means my job. You have to stand for something or you will fall for anything!

 

[JoeMerchant]

The only thing on JA's mind right now is keeping ALPA off the property at Skywest, he is willing to xfer our airplanes to them to keep them happy. However, if the Union was in place over there perhaps he would realize he needs two profitable carriers. Either way, I will not sell out, even if it means my job. You have to stand for something or you will fall for anything!

We can protect our jobs and still improve the current agreement. The union is trying to achieve a "trophy contract" and cherry pick the best of all the agreements while it ignores the single most important issue - job security.

 

[amcnd]

Because we all know ALPA did a great job for Eagle and keeping all there flying in STL!!!

 

[Palerider957]

Gents, I was at Flight Safety ATL a few days ago and was shocked by the number of SKYW pilots in the sims.

I think ASA is dying. JA didn't realize the depth of malaise and hatred at ASA. When SKYW took operational control, I think they were absolutely shocked with the deep seated pathology that is ASA.

Let's face it, it's time for ASA to die............

 

[outtahere]

Look at it this way, the industry is picking up. The majors will be hiring soon and Airtran and Southwest still need pilots for airplanes not yet delivered. If ASA dies then so be it, we will all find better jobs if we so choose. For four years these dicks have been lowballing us and stalling, I am not going to let it go that easy. The best outcome in all of this is a new contract, modorate growth, and the firing of Brian Lapuke and King Tutt.

 

[Gobi Gred]

I love it when you guys say "Jerry had no idea what he was getting into when he bought ASA". He knew EXACTLY what he was getting into. He didn't just start in this business last week.

 

[Muff-N-Man]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

You first.

 

[Crash Pad]

A couple of things.
SKYW and Jerry have an agreement that goes something like this. I'll pay you well, give you good work rules, job security, and growth. In return I don't want to have to deal with a Union.

The pilots at SKYW are smart enough to know you can get ALPA at any time. As soon as they are forced to take a paycut or the place goes to crap they can get ALPA.

Here is what an ASA pilot needs to understand:
1. SKYW pilots make more than you so signing a concession won't work
2. You are being replaced and will either take a paycut by moving to the 50 or the street.
3. This is about Union busting.
4. SKYW pilots will not vote for a union because of the "agreement"

With that information I don't know what we should do. Even if we took a paycut Jerry wouldn't risk SKYW going union. You can try and negotiate one list... difficult again Jerry not wanting to risk a union. You could try decertification of the Union but I don't think that will work.

GET RESUME READY

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Fck Skywest! Shut this b!tch down and lets go find a better job. Skywest guys, enjoy flying our airplanes at a much reduced price you freaking losers.

If SkyWest pilots are flying for a "much reduced price" as you claim why are so many ASA pilots saying they want what SkyWest pilots are getting?

I'm confused. Help me out here with an explanation.

 

[Bizjet]

We can protect our jobs and still improve the current agreement. The union is trying to achieve a "trophy contract" and cherry pick the best of all the agreements while it ignores the single most important issue - job security.

You are such a liar!

 

[Bizjet]

Everyone need to listen carefully to what Jegermeister and Turkey Shoot are saying. They both came to ASA from ALPA carriers that fought the good fight while their flying was outsourced. In the end, they had to give up their seniority and start all over here at ASA which is now going thru the EXACT SAME THING. Winning the battle is no good if you lose the war.

Joey has spoken everone. He is afraid to stand for anything. Joey and his older girlfriend are in the full scale panic mode. He is a desperate man with a desperate girlfriend and a real estate crash coming. Their slumlord status is in jeopardy! Anybody want to buy a sail boat? How about Buffett tickets? Can you spare a brother a dime for a drink? How about some valium? LEC 112 missing minutes for sale--make the LEC Sec/Treas and offer. Someone, anyone please help a union brother out! He would do the same to you I mean for you. How about making an offer for his ALPA wings. They were only worn to chuch on Sunday.