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[FL990]

a group of UAL pilots is also investigating the idea of de-certifying ALPA

I have read many of your posts and it is obvious you are STRONGLY opposed to ALPA. so my question to you is, what do you suggest is the solution to the HUGE problem we have in our industry? Whipsaw!...Race to the bottom...what is your suggestion? In all of your posts, I have yet to see you propose a solution. I have said it before and I will say it again...ALPA is NOT the perfect answer but it is the BEST option we have right now.

Are you the type of person that takes a test and refuses to answer a question just because you don't like your choices. If you do, you will FAIL the test..and the same is true here! It may not be perfect, but unless you have a better suggestion and are ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT, we all will lose if we don't come together.

I am not attacking you, but I feel that you are VERY naive.

 

[SkyNation]

I am not attacking you, but I feel that you are VERY naive.

I've worked at an ALPA regional, have you?

 

[Leroy Smith]

I've worked at an ALPA regional, have you?

I think the couple of people you have asked this question work for the eastern division of SKW. Your management is treating them badly. ALPA is the only thing preventing an even worse treatment. The long-amenable contract we are working under was negotiated a long time ago and under far different circumstances. Now, the company takes advantage of every angle that it can (both legal and not, when they can get away with it). If it were not for the contract and ALPA's limited ability to get it enforced, things would be far worse than they are. Maybe something like what the NetJets guys call "Strong Union" would be a better deal, but no union would be an absolute catastrophe at Americas Shiityest Airline.

 

[BoilerUP]

Hey SkyNation, how long were you at said ALPA regional?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I've worked at an ALPA regional, have you?

I have, TSA in '99, and guess what SKYW is moving closer to that type of airline every day, why? no contract. The TSA guys were the most cohesive group I have ever had the pleasure of working with. Without the union that place would have sucked several orders of magnitude worse. Uncle Rico=Hulas, they are cut from the same cloth, milk the pilots for every last minute of work, then throw them some useless bone and laugh all the way to the stock option bank. You keep throwing out that same old tired "I worked at an ALPA regional, have you?" quote and it, just reiterates the adage, the union is only as good as the individuals that comprise it. How many meetings did you attend, how many commitees were you on, exactly you are part of the problem, and your attitude is the problem at SKYW, entitlement oriented, Generation- $hithead idiots. You just don't get it, the very regional you "worked" at sucked because you "worked" there, SKYW is starting to suck now that you and your ilk have started polluting the pilot pool, you were hired because you have a pulse, nothing more.
Do us all a favor, lick the center rail on an electric train, any one you can find!
PBR

 

[thebest]

-ALPA can help in situations like this. Despite what Joe Merchant whines about. Our TA on scheduling at ASA would really solve a lot of scheduling problems-and our scheduling section now is better than some majors.
-Get ALPA-you won't regret it.......

-Ignore Joe Merchant-he is an RJDC loser who wants to continue to live in some strange parallel universe where RJ guys make exactly what 777 guys make due to "equal representation.".......
-Whatever

alpo won't help this, wake up...look at ASA..................

 

[jayme]

Ha! PBR, I love it!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I've worked at an ALPA regional, have you?

I believe FL990 had a valid question(which you've been asked by others many times before), which you've once again avoided answering!

 

[SkyNation]

well PBR and jayme

if it sucks because I work here (man, what power!) what isn't it equally awesome because you two and Gr82 work here? I mean, according to you, you are awesome, so why isn't working here awesome?

oh right, because we need to have a more 'stick it to the man' attitude, more of an us vs. them when it comes to management, right?

shouldn't you be over at Hillary's website donating money?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

well PBR and jayme

if it sucks because I work here (man, what power!) what isn't it equally awesome because you two and Gr82 work here? I mean, according to you, you are awesome, so why isn't working here awesome?

oh right, because we need to have a more 'stick it to the man' attitude, more of an us vs. them when it comes to management, right?

shouldn't you be over at Hillary's website donating money?

So, you have no solutions or suggestions...just your anti-ALPA diatribe!

 

[MYFpilot]

Originally Posted by SkyNation
I've worked at an ALPA regional, have you?


I believe FL990 had a valid question(which you've been asked by others many times before), which you've once again avoided answering!

I'm going to guess 5 months at Eagle?

 

[SkyNation]

So, you have no solutions or suggestions...just your anti-ALPA diatribe!

you're right, I don't. However, it's more important to note that I don't perceive the same 'problems' as you do, perhaps, or at least define them to the same degree.

I think that SkyWest is fundamentally sound, though it has it problems, like any other regional. It is my position, however, that taken as a whole, the problems we have at SkyWest are lesser than those at other regionals, many represented by ALPA. These lesser problems that we face, in my opinion, would/could not be helped by ALPA, and the potential downside is not worth the gamble.

 

[GearBayOverheat]

SkyNation... How long WERE you at your previous ALPA regional? Air Wisky was it??

 

[SkyNation]

does the time I was there matter? is there some point when I became qualified to have my opinion? is three years enough? Five?

and does where matter? it wasn't Mesa, since everyone assumes that. What if it was AWAC? Comair? ASA? We have a large contingent from all these places, and more.

the point is it doesn't matter. there are former ALPA folks here who disagree with me.

it is a matter of a difference in perspective. we all agree things could be better here, we just don't meet up on how bad things are and what we can do about, or how we should proceed.

when I compare what we have here to other places I've been and others have explained to me, I can't get all pissed and angry about how things go here.

 

[GearBayOverheat]

Well lets assume it was AWAC... seeing as how in May of 2006 you replied with the following to a thread where someone was being furloughed from TSA and was asking if they should go to SkyWest or AWAC:

I have worked for both, I say SkyWest, hand down. however, as was mentioned, if you're from the East coast, AWAC is what I'd recommend

With that in mind:

What happened to you there that caused such bitterness toward ALPA?

How long were you at AWAC? (Yes it matters as people have called your credibility into question. It would seem if you have the vast experience with ALPA you portray you'd be willing to say)

 

[SkyNation]

I'm not bitter toward ALPA, I just don't endow them with all the glitter and power that so many here do. I'm not even anti-ALPA, I just don't think they'd make things here any better.

if I said I was there for 4 years, does that help my credibility? 5? 2?

It doesn't really matter, because in the end SkyWest has the same compliment of grouchy types that any large organization has. The illusion to these folks is that ALPA will come in and muscle BH et al around to get what they want, then they won't be grouchy anymore.

IMHO, it just don't work that way.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I'm not bitter toward ALPA, I just don't endow them with all the glitter and power that so many here do. I'm not even anti-ALPA, I just don't think they'd make things here any better.

if I said I was there for 4 years, does that help my credibility? 5? 2?

It doesn't really matter, because in the end SkyWest has the same compliment of grouchy types that any large organization has. The illusion to these folks is that ALPA will come in and muscle BH et al around to get what they want, then they won't be grouchy anymore.

IMHO, it just don't work that way.

Or, maybe some of us think ALPA is the only practical way to stop our continual slide...like 7 years with no COLA(and no COLA in sight for 4 more), etc. etc. etc. I don't know what bubble you live in, but inflation in this neck of the woods has cut my buying power by almost 30% since my last COLA increase! Seems like a company that turned the "biggest profit margins in the entire airline industry" could at least offer us COLA!!!

 

[utahpilot]

I was at AWAC prior to coming to skywest as well. I am much happier here. I can appreciate the arguments for and against in this matter of whether or not to get alpa here. i don't hink it'll pass.

 

[SkyNation]

I was at AWAC prior to coming to skywest as well. I am much happier here.

how can you be when we're not ALPA?!

don't worry, all the crybabies will soon convince you how bad it sucks here, regardless of how good you have it.

 

[BoilerUP]

I was at AWAC prior to coming to skywest as well. I am much happier here. I can appreciate the arguments for and against in this matter of whether or not to get alpa here. i don't hink it'll pass.

Holy hell a reasoned response!
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I'm curious as to why you're so much happier at Skywest vs. AWAC. Does it have more to do with the commute (or lack thereof), or other factors?