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SKW nose gear up @ DFW tonite...
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I saw N448SW in the hangar last night. Skywest guy said he thought it was initially a hydraulic problem but that doesn't explain it not locking down during emergency extension. Damage appeared fairly minimal: skin and door damage obviously and a little tweaking of the nose wheel well aft bulkhead. No major structural damage.
Are the CRJ's suppose to free fall (alternate) to down and locked?
So what's the procedure for making a non-locked nose gear landing? If less than full, have the pax fill up the seats from aft to fwd; use max reverse thrust and minimal braking?
Are the CRJ's suppose to free fall (alternate) to down and locked?
So what's the procedure for making a non-locked nose gear landing? If less than full, have the pax fill up the seats from aft to fwd; use max reverse thrust and minimal braking?
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Aca Terry,
Of all the things to bash on this board you decide to bash professional pilots about an incident which at this point is SPECULATION. WERE YOU THERE? Oh, that's right you read some statement from a "highly accurate news media" source.
From what I understand after talking with one of our mechanics today the crew tried to put the landing gear down put the nose gear didn't come down. They performed the QRH procedure and pulled the emergency gear handle. When pulled there are four detents. The first opens the doors and the rest are to release the uplocks and allow the gear to free-fall. For whatever reason, the nose still didn't come down. The crew declared an emergency, gave themselves plenty of time by burning off as much gas as they could, and landed. Since the gear doors were open they held up extremely well upon touching down to the ground with the A/C rolling out. The mechanic said there were a couple of stringers that were bent and a little damage behind the nose gear bay (only one of the gear door hinges broke).
The flight crew did, IMO A FLAWLESS JOB. THEY ARE HEROS!! EVERYBODY WALKED AWAY WITH NO INJURIES!!! Of course the last part was not mentioned on CNN because nobody died, but thats another can of worms.
So, Mr. Terry
The next time you decided to make a smart ass comment about a PROFESSIANAL FLIGHT CREW THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THERE JOB save it for the bathroom stall!!
Of all the things to bash on this board you decide to bash professional pilots about an incident which at this point is SPECULATION. WERE YOU THERE? Oh, that's right you read some statement from a "highly accurate news media" source.
From what I understand after talking with one of our mechanics today the crew tried to put the landing gear down put the nose gear didn't come down. They performed the QRH procedure and pulled the emergency gear handle. When pulled there are four detents. The first opens the doors and the rest are to release the uplocks and allow the gear to free-fall. For whatever reason, the nose still didn't come down. The crew declared an emergency, gave themselves plenty of time by burning off as much gas as they could, and landed. Since the gear doors were open they held up extremely well upon touching down to the ground with the A/C rolling out. The mechanic said there were a couple of stringers that were bent and a little damage behind the nose gear bay (only one of the gear door hinges broke).
The flight crew did, IMO A FLAWLESS JOB. THEY ARE HEROS!! EVERYBODY WALKED AWAY WITH NO INJURIES!!! Of course the last part was not mentioned on CNN because nobody died, but thats another can of worms.
So, Mr. Terry
The next time you decided to make a smart ass comment about a PROFESSIANAL FLIGHT CREW THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THERE JOB save it for the bathroom stall!!
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I've got it! Since the fuel shortage in Phoenix everyone in the western half of the U.S. is taking less reserve fuel due to increased costs. This consequently moves the C.G. forward, putting too much weight on the nose wheel, resulting in the collapse. Since it was established in another thread that Mesa was responsible for the fuel shortage, we can only assume this scenario played out as a result of their actions.
There's the link.
There's the link.
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Regional Aircraft
123 Garratt Blvd.
Downsview, Ontario, Canada M3K 1Y5
Canadair Regional Jet CL600-2B19
All Operator Message No. 713
ATTN: Director/Manager of: Maintenance
Engineering
Quality Control
Inspection
Flight Operations
DATE: 05 Sept 03
ATA: 3220 MODEL: CL600-2B19
SUBJECT: Nose Landing Gear Retracted - Landing
The following message sent to all Canadair Regional Jet Operators and Bombardier Aerospace, Regional Aircraft Field Service Representatives.
This message contains information requiring attention and/or action. Please ensure timely and appropriate distribution within maintenance and flight operations departments.
Discussions:
Recently, a North American CRJ operator experienced a Nose Landing Gear extension malfunction during approach. The aircraft landed with the two main gears down & locked but the nose gear remained up, with the nose gear doors opened. During the
emergency landing, the aircraft remained controllable and centered on the runway. There were no injuries. The aircraft sustained some damage to the lower portion of the nose area.
The local authorities and operator are investigating to determine the root cause of the malfunction, with the assistance of Bombardier Aerospace. As more information becomesavailable all operators will be notified.
Please direct responses and inquiries to your Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft Field Service Representative or the Technical Help Desk in Montreal at telephone number (514) 855-8500 or facsimile (514) 855-8501.
Mike Dornenburg and Frank Baistrocchi, In-Service Engineering, Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft.
123 Garratt Blvd.
Downsview, Ontario, Canada M3K 1Y5
Canadair Regional Jet CL600-2B19
All Operator Message No. 713
ATTN: Director/Manager of: Maintenance
Engineering
Quality Control
Inspection
Flight Operations
DATE: 05 Sept 03
ATA: 3220 MODEL: CL600-2B19
SUBJECT: Nose Landing Gear Retracted - Landing
The following message sent to all Canadair Regional Jet Operators and Bombardier Aerospace, Regional Aircraft Field Service Representatives.
This message contains information requiring attention and/or action. Please ensure timely and appropriate distribution within maintenance and flight operations departments.
Discussions:
Recently, a North American CRJ operator experienced a Nose Landing Gear extension malfunction during approach. The aircraft landed with the two main gears down & locked but the nose gear remained up, with the nose gear doors opened. During the
emergency landing, the aircraft remained controllable and centered on the runway. There were no injuries. The aircraft sustained some damage to the lower portion of the nose area.
The local authorities and operator are investigating to determine the root cause of the malfunction, with the assistance of Bombardier Aerospace. As more information becomesavailable all operators will be notified.
Please direct responses and inquiries to your Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft Field Service Representative or the Technical Help Desk in Montreal at telephone number (514) 855-8500 or facsimile (514) 855-8501.
Mike Dornenburg and Frank Baistrocchi, In-Service Engineering, Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft.
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My gawd Jeepman...
Jeepman,
You REALLY need to lighten up. I was not making fun of the crew. Grow yourself a sense of humor. He11, I'd had a plane on fire before. Did I laugh it off once it was all over? Yes. Did I go around with a stick in my butt saying what a great job I did and cry if someone made a joke about it? No.
You're wound up tighter than a 2 doillar watch. I can imagine the bag of fun you must be to fly with. Geez
Jeepman,
You REALLY need to lighten up. I was not making fun of the crew. Grow yourself a sense of humor. He11, I'd had a plane on fire before. Did I laugh it off once it was all over? Yes. Did I go around with a stick in my butt saying what a great job I did and cry if someone made a joke about it? No.
You're wound up tighter than a 2 doillar watch. I can imagine the bag of fun you must be to fly with. Geez
Hey, I figured out the problem!
Ya know what I heard, it wasn't a bunch of Canadians that caused it, it was just one ugly ass Frog... Celine Dion! I hate that skinny, skanky ho. You dig deep enough through the conspiracy, you'll see that she's the cause, the root of all evil...
CatYaaak said:
Ya know what I heard, it wasn't a bunch of Canadians that caused it, it was just one ugly ass Frog... Celine Dion! I hate that skinny, skanky ho. You dig deep enough through the conspiracy, you'll see that she's the cause, the root of all evil...
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