SJS is spreading!!!!

[Geronimo4497]

So there are actually some happy MESA pilots out there?

 

[smokey999]

You must have just came back from a DC Academy meeting and actually believe the crap they tell people about the money they will make if they pay them for training. There isn't an FO in this industry flying a jet under 104 seats that makes anywhere near 70K. Guppykiller is probably rolling in about 30K if he works overtime and if he flew the 190 his pay would increase a whopping NOTHING to about 30K. 2nd yr CHQ pay $29/hr. Yearly income flying 90 hrs. = $31320. Yearly income after taxes = about 25K. I made more than that when I was in college working 15 hours a week. It's jackholes like this who think they actually have a career as an airline pilot when in reality they are destroying a career that was once prestigious.

You, my friend are the idiot for quitting that job. 30+ bucks an hour!!

 

[Spinplate]

no i guess you are kinda right...from that point on you just have to deal with sub-par work rules and the bottom of the barrel captain pay.....sound like fun to me.

sub-par work rules????

 

[Rabble]

Apparently SJS also causes deafness and apathy.

 

[House_X]

SJS??? What gives us the right to question who has SJS? How about SWA newhires? Do they have SJS too because they have to pay for a 737 type? How about JetBlue? Did you see their payrates for the E190? How about Netjets? Their CA payscales are equal to CA regional payscales. Who are the sell-outs and who are the ones with integrity?

I know a couple of peeps at my former employer who were talking about this subject...I pointed out that they must have SJS considering we have the lowest Airbus pay scales in the United States.

Again...glass houses guys...

By the way "GuppyKiller" does not work for RAH....

 

[Rabble]

"Do they have SJS too because they have to pay for a 737 type?"

Yes!

"How about JetBlue? Did you see their payrates for the E190?"

No, that's not SJS. These guys just have Kool-Aid administered rectally.

"How about Netjets? Their CA payscales are equal to CA regional payscales."

At least they're TRYING!

"Who are the sell-outs and who are the ones with integrity? "

Sellouts:
Any pilot who attended Comair Academy
Any pilot who paid for their training
Any pilot who has purchased a type-rating in order to gamble on an interview.
Any pilot who has taken a pay-cut in exchange for growth.
Any pilot who has taken concessions in exchange for larger aircraft.
Any member of the RJDC.
Any regional-airline pilot who is anxious to get the E-Jet family of aircraft.
Any pilot who honestly believes that if they could get a few hundred hours in an E-Jet they'll be more likely to get picked up by "a major".
Any pilot who votes for E170/190 & keeps furloughees on the street longer.
Any pilot with zero hours in a turboprop
Any flight instructor who went directly to the right seat of an RJ and then COMPLAINED about the slow upgrade time less than 3 years later.

Integrity
Military aviators currently serving our country
Angel-Flight
Furloughed pilots who chose not to accept Jets4'Jobs
Furloughed pilots who left aviation rather than whore themselves
Corporate pilots who dont laugh out loud at regional pilots
Any pilot volunteering to assist cleanup, rescue, etc. after Katrina

Have A Nice Day!

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

Apparently SJS also causes deafness and apathy.

What? Oh, nevermind, I don't care anyway.










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P.S. No SJS here, but a wicked case of BUTTS.

 

[Spinplate]

Rabble loves the Cock!!

 

[House_X]

"Do they have SJS too because they have to pay for a 737 type?"

Yes!

"How about JetBlue? Did you see their payrates for the E190?"

No, that's not SJS. These guys just have Kool-Aid administered rectally.

"How about Netjets? Their CA payscales are equal to CA regional payscales."

At least they're TRYING!

"Who are the sell-outs and who are the ones with integrity? "

Sellouts:
Any pilot who attended Comair Academy
Any pilot who paid for their training
Any pilot who has purchased a type-rating in order to gamble on an interview.
Any pilot who has taken a pay-cut in exchange for growth.
Any pilot who has taken concessions in exchange for larger aircraft.
Any member of the RJDC.
Any regional-airline pilot who is anxious to get the E-Jet family of aircraft.
Any pilot who honestly believes that if they could get a few hundred hours in an E-Jet they'll be more likely to get picked up by "a major".
Any pilot who votes for E170/190 & keeps furloughees on the street longer.
Any pilot with zero hours in a turboprop
Any flight instructor who went directly to the right seat of an RJ and then COMPLAINED about the slow upgrade time less than 3 years later.

Integrity
Military aviators currently serving our country
Angel-Flight
Furloughed pilots who chose not to accept Jets4'Jobs
Furloughed pilots who left aviation rather than whore themselves
Corporate pilots who dont laugh out loud at regional pilots
Any pilot volunteering to assist cleanup, rescue, etc. after Katrina

Have A Nice Day!

WOW!!! So your saying all the J4J guys from United and US Airways are sellouts? How about the TONS of furloughed guys from Skyway, ACA, Chicago Express, etc flying E170's at RAH are they sellouts? How about the TENS OF THOUSANDS of pilots from regionals and majors that took paycuts to save the airline?

Contrary to your beliefs...there are many other sectors of the economy that have been suffering other than the airline industry. I would agree with you if the economy was doing well...but it isn't.

Simple capitalism...there are too many pilots...ticket prices are too low...oil is too high. Blaming it on SJS is not going to solve this economic problem.

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

Rabble loves the Cock!!

Spinplate would know!!

 

[Rabble]

Boy, the Teamsters must LOVE you House. Management posterboy.

"Sure, I'll take a paycut. Gosh, its the economy. Supply and demand ya' know."

 

[House_X]

Boy, the Teamsters must LOVE you House. Management posterboy.

"Sure, I'll take a paycut. Gosh, its the economy. Supply and demand ya' know."

I already took a paycut when I lost my job with an ALPA carrier. This has nothing to due with unions because there are plenty of ALPA carriers which have some of the lowest CA and FO wages in the industry. Ask all the engineers, accountants, and office workers that have taken paycut in other professions...are they sellouts too? Aviation is just one of the many industries that are suffering...



Our profession has very little bargaining power with a weak economy...there's a larger picture that's not just affecting our profession...it's affecting all professions. And yes...like many, I've contemplated leaving the industry due to the new economic realities. The NWA mech strike is a good example of how little power we have while our employers continue to loose hundreds of millions of dollars per financial quarter. Your opinion is admirable, and unfortunately, ineffective in this economy.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Cool! And you probably made more when you were a 172-RG Captain than you will make as a 5 year E-170 FO. E-Jets taking over the country, awesome!!!

HA HA HA! Awesome!

 

[MESAhater]

"Im sorry you feel that way considering the contract is what it is until its up in 2 more years. ALPA is the middle man for most pilots. They can only help in negotiating whats in the pilots best interests. If we got everything that we wanted it wouldnt be a business anymore. Mesa,Skywest, and Southwest are the only ones turnin profits out there right now. They each have their own way of cutting cost's and unfortunately Mesa is one of the lowest paying regionals. The 900 does get better pay vs. the 200 so dont worry about that. Sounds like you used to work for Mesa and got fired or something. Did you fu*k up? You probably couldnt pass their training! At least I would have a beer with another pilot before labeling them. dang arrogant cocky superpilot "-Spinplate
Sorry Spinplate I never had the "honor" of working for MESA, I went and flew for a carrier who gives a #*it about it's pilots. One that it's pilots will stand up for themselves to get better pay and contract instead of working for sub par pay and work rules just to fly a jet @ 300hrs. Your comment about Mesa, skywest, and SWA being the only ones turning profits you need to check your sources because there is at least one more regional making money. Like I said before I have nothing against the pilots, it is the company, when that contract is up you all better stand up and do what is right for yourselves and the rest of the industry.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Sellouts:
Any pilot who attended Comair Academy

Totally disagree with you here. Attending an Academy with a 141 Program is not in and of itself selling out. You are paying for FLIGHT TRAINING, thus by your standard, only a military pilot would be a non-sellout (and they sign a binding contract to pay for their training--and training contracts are a form of "selling out" in the eyes of many). If you narrowed it down a little further to being someone stupid enough to work as a CFI for ten bucks and hour and *THEN* going through a PFT program for the amount of money you will make your first year on the line (IF YOU MADE IT PAST THE INTERVIEW) then I might be in your camp. But going to CAA alone is not enough to be a sellout...

The stupidity of the old PFT Comair days was that you paid a fortune to get the training, then worked as a CFI for about 10K/year....then turned around and paid 10K to get a job paying 17K!! Just not good when you run the numbers through the calculator on that one.

I guess my dad was a sellout. He fought in Vietnam and then had to buy a type to get on at SWA (because the FAA did not recognize his T-43 qualifications as an Instructor Pilot with the USAF)...where he was a Captain for 25+ years.

Interesting...

As for not laughing at Regional pilots... I'm pretty much crying for you at this point. I can't find any reason to laugh at someone making $20-30K a year to fly a jet airliner....regardless of size. Looking back on it I am laughing at myself for being stupid enough to have done it though.