Single pilot in 2 pilot aircraft

[cxcap]

Isn't it possible to get "checked out" (or something to that effect) by the FAA to fly single pilot in an aircraft requiring two pilots? It seems I remember reading one time that if you show that you could handle the aircraft by yourself there was some way around the 2 pilot requirement. The reason I ask is because I'm planning on buying either a Citation X or a BBJ and I want to be able to fly it myself.

 

[English]

Cool. I'll pay to babysit you from the right seat.

 

[Yank McCobb]

You don't need a check out at all. Just buy it and fly it. Quit bothering people with details.

 

[aeronautic1]

Yes

...you should be fine. I believe that you need to have five stripes on your shoulder boards/jacket though. Check your FARs (Federal Air Regulations) on that.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Checkout?........oh you mean getting someone to show you how to start the engines. After that, push=go Pull=stop.............anything else is just useless fluff anyhow.


Like yank said, quit bothering us with your crazy details! :0

 

[aeronautic1]

and

... remember, the houses get smaller when you PULL on the yoke. Bigger when you PUSH on the yoke. The rest is just common sense.

 

[Snakum]

Cows get bigger ... cows get smaller ... cows get bigger again.

You're all set.

Good luck, Iceman!


Minhberg

 

[O-Line]

Isn't it possible to get "checked out" (or something to that effect) by the FAA to fly single pilot in an aircraft requiring two pilots? It seems I remember reading one time that if you show that you could handle the aircraft by yourself there was some way around the 2 pilot requirement. The reason I ask is because I'm planning on buying either a Citation X or a BBJ and I want to be able to fly it myself.

You know it's a good thing I was reading this thread, because it just so happens I have a Single Pilot BBJ for sale! It's alreasy been sold ($50M+5M for the SP option), but it fell out of escow today. If you could wire me an ernest of $55,000 today, you can soon have your own SP BBJ.

 

[want2fly]

Like these other guys said - who cares just do whatever you want to. Even if they take your license, they can only take it one time. Seriously though, I think I have heard of people having a waiver of some sort to fly some of the dual pilot Citations single pilot. Anyone else know of this?

 

[aeronautic1]

Say O-Line

... that BBJ wouldn't be a 5 N - prefix would it?

 

[Lead Sled]

Isn't it possible to get "checked out" (or something to that effect) by the FAA to fly single pilot in an aircraft requiring two pilots? It seems I remember reading one time that if you show that you could handle the aircraft by yourself there was some way around the 2 pilot requirement. The reason I ask is because I'm planning on buying either a Citation X or a BBJ and I want to be able to fly it myself.

Cxcap...
I think that you've confused the regulations - two single-engine rated pilots can fly a twin so long as one of the pilots only operates the left engine and the other pilot only operates the right. Under this provision of the FARs, you and another private pilot buddy could fly your BBJ, but you still wouldn't be able to fly it single-pilot.

The single-pilot provision applies to corporate and airline pilots who operate long-range aircraft. It states that married pilots who are gone away from home long enough and often enough will eventially become single pilots.

'Sled

 

[bigD]

The single-pilot provision applies to corporate and airline pilots who operate long-range aircraft. It states that married pilots who are gone away from home long enough and often enough will eventially become single pilots.

'Sled

LMAO!

 

[MTpilot]

Wow!

Hey Look! It's John Travolta on flinfo!

Who else could afford a BBJ?

 

[FracCapt]

Isn't it possible to get "checked out" (or something to that effect) by the FAA to fly single pilot in an aircraft requiring two pilots? It seems I remember reading one time that if you show that you could handle the aircraft by yourself there was some way around the 2 pilot requirement. The reason I ask is because I'm planning on buying either a Citation X or a BBJ and I want to be able to fly it myself.

Yes, you can fly ANY 2 pilot aircraft single pilot....as long as you get yourself an Otto-Pilot. Shirley not required.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

Cxcap...
I think that you've confused the regulations - two single-engine rated pilots can fly a twin so long as one of the pilots only operates the left engine and the other pilot only operates the right. Under this provision of the FARs, you and another private pilot buddy could fly your BBJ, but you still wouldn't be able to fly it single-pilot.

What if he only flew it on one engine? Could he fly single-pilot then?

 

[Lead Sled]

What if he only flew it on one engine? Could he fly single-pilot then?

Why yes, I think he could. But he'd have to leave the ignition key for the other engine on the ground - just in case he was tempted to do something stupid and start up the other engine when nobody was looking.

'Sled

 

[LAXSaabdude]

...you should be fine. I believe that you need to have five stripes on your shoulder boards/jacket though. Check your FARs (Federal Air Regulations) on that.

Looked it up already. It's 7 stripes. 4 (capt.) + 3 (F.O.). They may grant a waiver if you purchase both sets of shoulderboards and wear them both on each shoulder, as the 7 stripe shoulderboards are backordered.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[bcamp]

Currently. the only two pilot jet that can be flown by one pilot is the CE-500 (Cessna Citation 500) through an exemption. Cessna and Boeing have no plans for an exemption for the CE-750 and BBJ.

 

[AKAAB]

The Lear 23 was supposed to be certified single-pilot but the FAA never approved it. Check out the gear handle position on the left side of the panel in the early Lears.

The early Citations had a SP option. When I took my ride for my CE-500 rating the examiner told me I had to do the single pilot ride since I was there with an SP. So, no restriction on my certificate like many others have.

 

[CaravanMan]

LOL, these posts are great!


The last company I worked at flew Citations (S/550 and 560) single pilot. I flew right seat a bunch of times, but eventually my boss determined that it was better to have an unskilled passenger riding up front than another pilot. Good heavens, wouldn't want ANOTHER pilot up there, the world might end! Oh well, on to better things! Haha!

 

[Lead Sled]

I think the Beech Triggerfish, err Premier is also single-pilot. From what I've read, most of the up and coming light jets are all going to be single-pilot as well.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

'Sled

 

[Lead Sled]

Currently. the only two pilot jet that can be flown by one pilot is the CE-500 (Cessna Citation 500) through an exemption. Cessna and Boeing have no plans for an exemption for the CE-750 and BBJ.

If you've got 7 stripes on your shoulderboards you don't need an exemption.

'Sled

 

[727gm]

Probably not the answer you were looking for, but in some cases the DC-3 can be flown single-pilot (depending on the Flight Manual/STC), for ferry and Maintenance test flights, with only an A&P mechanic in the right seat & no pax.

 

[wingnutt]

premier is supposed to be...and there was a time one could get a lear type single pilot, but those days are long gone

 

[Lead Sled]

...there was a time one could get a lear type single pilot, but those days are long gone

My understanding was that, in the early days, Bill Lear tried to get single-pilot approval for the Lear 23 but the FAA wouldn't buy it. Later, they tried to get approval for factory ferry pilots to fly them single-pilot and the FAA also said no. Personally, I've got 1000 hours single-pilot in the MU-2 and 3000 hours in the Lear. I'd feel more comfortable flying a Lear single-pilot than the MU-2. Oh well.

'Sled

 

[Ill Mitch]

My understanding was that, in the early days, Bill Lear tried to get single-pilot approval for the Lear 23 but the FAA wouldn't buy it. Later, they tried to get approval for factory ferry pilots to fly them single-pilot and the FAA also said no. Personally, I've got 1000 hours single-pilot in the MU-2 and 3000 hours in the Lear. I'd feel more comfortable flying a Lear single-pilot than the MU-2. Oh well.

'Sled

Or you could do what Bobby Younkin did and re-certify his Lear 23 into the experimental catagory to fly airshows...which he does single pilot.

I've also seen Clay Lacy exit a Lear 23 at two different airports all by his lonesome, but I doubt what he was doing is legal.

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

If you've got 7 stripes on your shoulderboards you don't need an exemption.

Yea, but the captain's an arsehole and the FO's a useless twit.

 

[Lead Sled]

Yea, but the captain's an arsehole and the FO's a useless twit.

Have you been talking to my boss again?

'Sled

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

Have you been talking to my boss again?

No, mine. And he's always right.

 

[mizzouguy]

shouldnt this be on the ygtbsm thread?