Simply put, where is the money?

[FN FAL]

Mr. Shoutout390 has asked a serious question as an inspiring aviator and this thread has turned into a total debacle. This is nothing more than, my job is/was better than yours and my location is/was better than yours.

What we have here is a failure to communicate!

Goose17

Hahaha Goose...you just realized that there is a large segment of the "Pilot Community" that does not have their Mutha Phukka set to "recieve"!

 

[Swass]

Swass-

Kansas...how did I guess...

lucky you! I bet 3-400K buys a farkin mansion in Kansas!!

just stay out of the double wides man. on of them there ternaders might come and blow it away!

You really are an asshole, but you can come work for me when your gig runs out or you spout your big mouth off to your boss and get canned. I can afford you, many times over. Even in Kansas money. Then you can really spread out your 100k salary.

You still haven't told me where you can make 150 to 200k. Don't tell me real estate either. Better hold on to your flying gig with both hands.

 

[Vector4fun]

My thoughts:

The Airline Industry in general is in for years of unrest yet. There's too much debt, too little margin, too much competition to raise prices, and the Hub and Spoke model is eventually going to implode, OR be a serious drag on the industry for years. I say that because no matter what the "experts" claim, there is NO magic software or hardware that is going to let 80 airplanes land and takeoff from a single runway in an hour. Not unless Boeing invents a VTOL airliner. And even if you could land/depart 80 per hour per runway, there aren't taxiways and gates to handle them. I say this after having gone back to work yesterday evening and finding 2 hr delays and/or ground stops to half the major airports east of the Mississippi. JFK, LGA, EWR, TEB, BWI, IAD, ATL, PHL, ORD, plus IAH here in Texas are just the ones I remember from yesterday. Customers just love arriving 2 hrs early for security lines, and then sitting an additional 2 hrs past departure time for WX and congestion delays. It's cheaper, easier, and more convenient nowadays to drive 6 hours. That's a fact.


From an ATC standpoint, RJs are going to further choke the major airports. Instead of one 757, the airlines are buying three RJs. Unless those RJs are moved from the Hubs and placed on more point-to-point routes between minor or mid-size cities, the larger airports are just going to become a huge traffic jam. I believe the RJs CAN be used effectively; but they're going to have to fly LNK direct OKC for example, not LNK-STL-OKC. Or LNK-ORD-OKC. What I don't believe is that the bean-counters will ever admit that Hubs are a bad idea operationally. They look great on paper, but suck real-world. Did anyone notice that ORD's traffic actually went UP after AAL and UAL agreed to reduce some flights?????
$100k per year a good salary? Yes, if you don't live on the coasts, or another higher cost area. And if you aren't divorced and paying a quarter of it to your ex, and if your current spouse works, or will drive a 5 yr old car and shop with coupons, and if you have good health insurance and no serious medical issues, etc. etc. You can be very well off on that single in Texas. You can be shopping for Palm Harbor Homes if you're divorced in California.

 

[shutout390]

Reading all these posts makes me feel kinda shaky about pursuing a career in aviation. Everyone always says to do what makes you happy, then it wont seem like work. Alot of people here seem regretful and/or dissapointed with their careers, maybe you can equate it to my high school terms...Like you think a girl is smokin' until you "land on her runway", then she doesnt seem so hot anymore? Is it kinda like that?

So when i relfect, i guess all i really want to do is fly....soon enough the money will come. Ill go to college and get my degree, if flying doesnt look like itll work then atleast i have my degree and i dont have to sit around waitin for openings with no other skills that flying.

Thanks for all the help everyone, sorry about the disputes it brought up.

 

[Indigo]

Like you think a girl is smokin' until you "land on her runway", then she doesnt seem so hot anymore? Is it kinda like that?

Yes.

No matter how you feel about flying, when you do it for a living it becomes a job, sometimes a cool job, but a job nevertheless. You're young so I'm sure it's hard for you to relate to this.

That said, flying can be an interesting and rewarding career. My advice would be to follow your own path and be patient (hard for a young person, I know). As far as money goes, there are no guarantees with any career and there's no way to predict the future, so do what you want to do. Hopefully the money will follow. If not, at least you're doing something that is personally satisfying.

Also, the title of your thread made you sound like a greedy little.... I'm sure you're not, but there are many people out there who had their economic dreams crushed recently so that may be why you got so many negative responses.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You really are an asshole, but you can come work for me when your gig runs out or you spout your big mouth off to your boss and get canned. I can afford you, many times over. Even in Kansas money. Then you can really spread out your 100k salary.

You still haven't told me where you can make 150 to 200k. Don't tell me real estate either. Better hold on to your flying gig with both hands.


I knew it, it is a trailer.

"I can afford you, many times over"....OK...you can AFFORD me? Swass, what the heck does THAT mean? You got a thing for dudes Swass? Im not your type...I have all my teeth and I can read and write...

Now go kick that bald, banjo playing kid off your porch - he is getting you all tensed up man..

Be Happy, its the weekend. Have a beer and relax.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Ill go to college and get my degree, if flying doesnt look like itll work then atleast i have my degree and i dont have to sit around waitin for openings with no other skills that flying.

Holy crap, this kid is a freakin' genius! Finally someone who has got it right.

Enter pilotyip, stage left...

 

[shutout390]

I did sound greedy, but I figured I would just put it out there so people didnt have to read my post trying to figure out what I really wanted (which at first was money). I have read these posts and I have aquired a greater respect for just doing what you want to do - something that wouldnt make work seem like work. I see that in flying; I dont think I could ever get bored of something like that. I could, however, get sick of lookin at the same 9-5 day behind a desk and on the phone talkin to aceholes about stock fluctuations or retail bids or whatnot.