sics paying for time

[fre8ersic]

Thank you dude. I'm still trying to get a pilot job that pays. In the mean time might as well get some twin time anyway I can instead of being idle. Single time out of my local class E airport for me means nothing as far as experience goes. Best regards.

 

[fre8ersic]

If you're making good money, why not buy an Apache and fly it all summer yourself. The kids will get to see the USA from a unique perspective and you'll build multi-engine PIC time. I've seen previously successful people do this when deciding to make a career change late in life.

The Law of Sacrifice is similar to the Law of Conservation of Energy that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed in form. The "dues" you'l pay to get to your desired career goal will be paid in one form or another. For you, starting later means you'll have a shorter career (provided you want to go the airline route) and your family will have to share in your sacrifice. For many here, they flew checks as single guys and sacrificed some of their time that could have been spent raising a family.

The point is your climb will either be short and steep or long and slow, but the effort and perseverence necesssary will be the same. There are no "short cuts".

Thank you dude.

 

[troy]

Thank you dude. I'm still trying to get a pilot job that pays. In the mean time might as well get some twin time anyway I can instead of being idle. Single time out of my local class E airport for me means nothing as far as experience goes. Best regards.

If no one pays for it, some one can get paid for it (if they need someone bad enough)

PFT sucks for all, and makes us all whores, STOP PAYING FOR RIGHT SEAT TIME~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ePilot22]

Dead Horse

Do a search if you want an idea of what people on this board think about PFT! Quit wasting everyone's time asking a stupid question, then excusing your actions when people disagree about what you do. There is NO justification for PFT! Would you pay to sell a house? No, I didn't think so. So why pay to fly? If you do PFT, then keep it to yourself, we don't need PFTers coming out of their closets and flaunting the fact that they paid to fly. Keep your brokebank assaccount to yourself.

Here's a quote from FN FAL from another thread about the SAME issue. I think he sums it up best...

You get what you pay for in this industry and you get paid what you are worth. If you are worth nothing, you pay to work.

Yeah, my panties are in a bunch and it's because people like you want the easy road and are willing to sell themselves and our industry to get it.

Thanks for dragging it down, I hope I can afford to move on after flight instructing, but it might be hard to pay $35 an hour to fly instead of earning it.

What a waste...



eP.

 

[ePilot22]

I'm still trying to get a pilot job that pays.

HAHAHAHAHA! What employer is going to be stupid enough to PAY you! They know you're willing to pay them! Don't expect to much. And DON'T complain when you don't get it either!

In the mean time might as well get some twin time anyway I can instead of being idle.

Really? And whos' flying the plane. NOT YOU! I sure hope the PIC isn't letting you do anything more than keep the seat warm!

Single time out of my local class E airport for me means nothing as far as experience goes.

Experience this...:uzi: ! You're an idiot!




eP.

 

[ePilot22]

For your info. You can't get paid as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

For YOUR info. you CAN'T log time as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

If 2 pilots are required both should be qualified and be PAID!

If it's a single pilot op then your dumba$$ is a glorified passenger.

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eP.

 

[fre8ersic]

For YOUR info. you CAN'T log time as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

If 2 pilots are required both should be qualified and be PAID!

If it's a single pilot op then your dumba$$ is a glorified passenger.

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eP.

You shoudn't be insulting people, you are acting like a little kid out of college who's panties are moist!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

Would you pay to sell a house? No, I didn't think so. eP.

Aw crap! Would you mind going and getting the $8500 I paid that real estate agent? You see that was alot less than the cost of carrying two mortgages for a year, but as you have pointed out, that was insane! What was I thinking!!??
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(aside) you see, buddy, I'm making a mockery of your analogy which is only fun since you jumped this guys butt with such reckless abandon.
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So once everyone stops paying for training, stops riding right seat in corporate airplanes, stops taking CFI jobs for $7.00/hr, stops going to work for the lowest paid, most exploitative commuter, stops applying at majors that pay less than FedEx and stop with all these destructive concessions when they do get to a major, then we'll have a real profession again.

For Service Academy Grads only, I suppose.

 

[imacdog]

Yeah but you paid for a service. Those who pay to act as a professional pilot are paying to provide a service. Your realtor did not pay you, did he?

Only in aviation

 

[ePilot22]

Let's make a deal...

Would you mind going and getting the $8500 I paid that real estate agent?

Funny...I thought the guy I "jumped on with such reckless abandon" was a real estate agent.

So did your real estate agent pay you to sell your house?

Side note: guy, jumped, and butt is not something I do! With or without reckless abandon. :erm:.





eP.

 

[N1FuelFlow]

If 2 pilots are required both should be qualified and be PAID!

If it's a single pilot op then your dumba$$ is a glorified passenger.

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I was an SIC in a metroliner a while back and the metros were single pilot, but the faa qualifies it to make it an optional two pilot crew. I was fortunate to get in before companies stated making people pay. I was paid about 500.00 a month. It was excelent experience but I don't know if I would pay for it. It just seems if they used to hire people off the street people must have screwed their selfs by offering to pay money. I fly with guys now who went through the Mesa Pay for training program, they fly the airplane well but they just are lacking the real world experience. To be honest with you it seems like you come out of that program a trained switch monkey. I just have a hard time paying for time. Its your call I do think it is becoming more accepted in the airline world, even though I cringe a little when I hear someone paid 15G's for time.

 

[fre8ersic]

Aw crap! Would you mind going and getting the $8500 I paid that real estate agent? You see that was alot less than the cost of carrying two mortgages for a year, but as you have pointed out, that was insane! What was I thinking!!??
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(aside) you see, buddy, I'm making a mockery of your analogy which is only fun since you jumped this guys butt with such reckless abandon.
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So once everyone stops paying for training, stops riding right seat in corporate airplanes, stops taking CFI jobs for $7.00/hr, stops going to work for the lowest paid, most exploitative commuter, stops applying at majors that pay less than FedEx and stop with all these destructive concessions when they do get to a major, then we'll have a real profession again.

For Service Academy Grads only, I suppose.

Everything you said is very true. Everybody is trying to get to the top the best way they can while some are trying to support a family and fly some are trying to instruct for a mediocre pay.

 

[fre8ersic]

Yeah but you paid for a service. Those who pay to act as a professional pilot are paying to provide a service. Your realtor did not pay you, did he?

Only in aviation

While I'm prividing a service I'm also getting good experience. $7.00 an hr. to instruct or pay a little over that to get twin time and lots of IMC

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[imacdog]

I got good experience at the different places I worked, but the difference is I also got a paycheck. When I talk about my past experience I don't have to put a sad face on the thread like you do.

 

[fre8ersic]

I got good experience at the different places I worked, but the difference is I also got a paycheck. When I talk about my past experience I don't have to put a sad face on the thread like you do.

Don't lie and say you were happy with your pay as an instructor. Most of my friends are instructors and they hate the pay.