sics paying for time

[ePilot22]

:uzi: fre8ersic:smash: ,

Alright enough already! You're an idiot and you've proved it, thanks.

STFU! Your flame bait. Your response to comments are stupid and make no sense. Take your 14 year old acne face a$$ back to your MSFS and play SIC loser.

Smell ya later...




eP.

 

[troy]

The plane I'm flying requires one, read and understand what I wrote!! I can log every bit of my time, I passed a Part 135 check ride just like the PICs on the plane I'm flying. Like I said before I am not taking anybody's job so you and your "wife" are the drag in the proffession by taking the low paying jobs, I can tell you are not very happy with your job wishing for better pay but you did it to yourself that's the diffrence between you and I, I'm not gonna make the mistakes you old timers made, that's why I'm not doing it the old schools way.
Passing on real estate is the dumbest thing I ever heard. I can buy a nice twin, paid off, if I want, but why? I can get it done cheaper, my job is there just waiting for me. If you and your wife ever are out of a job you are gonna wish you would be doing real estate, if you do it right, it will give you plenty of money and lots of free time.
" WE COULD ALWAYS START HAVING OUR FOs PAY US FOR LETTING THEM RIDE ALONG" http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon21.gif Sound like you require to have FOs, and you are making it sound like you own the business, either way you make no sense.
No hard feelings. GOOD FLYING!!!!!

So, if this aircraft REQUIRES an FO, then the FO should be PAID!! End of story. If a requirement exists, then that is what we refer to a JOB!! YOU are taking away jobs from those of us who want to FLY FOR A LIVING instead of F'n around paying for a job. Get a clue about what you are doing.

Better yet, I am going to send you a bill, and you are going to sell my house. I will pocket all expenses occured by you. I expect this payment after each hour you devote any time to selling my house.

 

[znobrdr1]

Yah that INLINE! I flown with a lot of flight instructors and to tell you the truth they don't inpress me much, once the student can solo instructors are just correcting and not stick flying the plane so really they are acting as an SIC as far as flying the plane hands on most of the time. With 600+ TT I have more twin time than single in real IMC weather dealing with all kinds of weather problems and situations (to me I'm getting better experience flying 135 than instructing, you know if it is bad or windy they don't go ,we go, you cargo pilots know what I'm talking about!) I see instructors come in for the PIC position and some times I can't belive the things they do, Why? Not enough hands on flying, out of 1700hr. TT or whatever not even half of that is hands on so out of my little 600+ TT 450+ is me flying. Sorry if I offended anyone I ment no disrespect but that's the way I feel.

I would disagree. Respectfully. SIC time is generally not impressive to anyone except those looking for someone for the right seat in a two pilot airplane. Then its only valuable if its fairly recent. Lately it seems that unless you have been to school in the last year no one cares either. SIC is an excellent way to learn your way around TStorms, ice, radar, and, the the quirks of the "system". with someone watching over your shoulder. Flight instruction done properly is quite a bit of work. Let the students go to learn, you have to keep it legal, the airplane, crew, passengers, safe and teach all at the same time. I have sent 47 to successful check rides and no two were alike. The school I taught at allowed training in IMC, gusty winds, even grass fields. Narrow runways, one comes to mind, no wider than a golf cart path. Multi-engine training is an event unto itself. With probably 30 hours of flying around with one engine feathered I can tell you some pilots shake so badly the airplane actually vibrates from the pilot induced turbulence. A captain I fly with says an Orangutan can fly a plane, that's the easy part. It's about the decisions you make. How you make them, and what you do when things start to go bad. Students will find very interesting things to do that you will not expect. Controllers will ask for even more interesting things.

When I have to make the hiring decision about who sits in the right seat all other things being equal the one with the instruction given, and multi-instruction given will have the advantage.

That same Captain said to me one time never fly for free. I took his advice and it seems to be working. I wish you the best, it is without doubt a challenging road to travel. My first day as an instructor was 9/11 so just finding students was a challenge.

You really need a "pilot" when the airplane breaks!

Another old salt of a pilot said "Are you going to be an airplane driver or a pilot?" "The difference", he said, "is pilots make decisions".

 

[ComputerGuy]

The plane I'm flying requires one, read and understand what I wrote!! I can log every bit of my time, I passed a Part 135 check ride just like the PICs on the plane I'm flying. Like I said before I am not taking anybody's job so you and your "wife" are the drag in the proffession by taking the low paying jobs, I can tell you are not very happy with your job wishing for better pay but you did it to yourself that's the diffrence between you and I, I'm not gonna make the mistakes you old timers made, that's why I'm not doing it the old schools way.

Wait a second here.... If the plane you're flying REQUIRES one, then the operator MUST have someone in that seat. Right? So if nobody were willing to PAY to be in that seat (thereby allowing the operator to make money from you for paying for the "priviledge" of sitting there as well as make money from the freight that you're hauling), then they'd have to PAY someone to be there. So how exactly are you NOT taking someone's job, and how exactly are you NOT hurting this profession?

" WE COULD ALWAYS START HAVING OUR FOs PAY US FOR LETTING THEM RIDE ALONG" http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon21.gif Sound like you require to have FOs, and you are making it sound like you own the business, either way you make no sense.

I don't know - makes PERFECT sense to ME! Ever hear of SARCASM???

 

[troy]

PFT is a way for the snobs of the world to get their way and to cut in line. Guess it's no different than anything else they do (taxes, buy their way out of jail, etc)

 

[fre8ersic]

So, if this aircraft REQUIRES an FO, then the FO should be PAID!! End of story. If a requirement exists, then that is what we refer to a JOB!! YOU are taking away jobs from those of us who want to FLY FOR A LIVING instead of F'n around paying for a job. Get a clue about what you are doing.

Better yet, I am going to send you a bill, and you are going to sell my house. I will pocket all expenses occured by you. I expect this payment after each hour you devote any time to selling my house.

I said it requiers ONE PILOT.Therefore I'm not taking anybody's job.

 

[81Horse]

The plane I'm flying requires one, read and understand what I wrote!! I can log every bit of my time, I passed a Part 135 check ride just like the PICs on the plane I'm flying. Like I said before I am not taking anybody's job...

This is first time you've been clear about whether or not you're flying a true two-pilot aircraft. The fact that you are paying to do so is completely reprehensible. You are going to find very little sympathy around here, where most of us regard this as only a small step above being an actual scab.

... so you and your "wife" are the drag in the proffession by taking the low paying jobs, I can tell you are not very happy with your job...

You're wrong on both these points; however, it's true we're unhappy with the current state of the entire industry.

... Sound like you require to have FOs, and you are making it sound like you own the business, either way you make no sense. ...

Read it again -- I was being sarcastic, and attempting to make a point. Sorry it went over your head, but most of the posts responding to your thread-starter have apparently gone over your head. Obviously, you will persist in paying for your training, and no amount of opprobrium you receive here will deter you.

I'm not going to wish you good luck or good flying, because I believe paying for training -- worse, paying to fly as a required crewmember! -- is ethically contemptible. When you started this thread, you asked what we all think; there you have it -- doesn't sound like you like what we have to say.

 

[fre8ersic]

:uzi: fre8ersic:smash: ,

Alright enough already! You're an idiot and you've proved it, thanks.

STFU! Your flame bait. Your response to comments are stupid and make no sense. Take your 14 year old acne face a$$ back to your MSFS and play SIC loser.

Smell ya later...




eP.

You are full of insults Aren't you? Sound to me like you are the stupid one. I should have wrote "requiers one pilot" instead of "requiers one" so you could understand it. The only thing you are going to smell is you upper lip.

 

[fre8ersic]

So, if this aircraft REQUIRES an FO, then the FO should be PAID!! End of story. If a requirement exists, then that is what we refer to a JOB!! YOU are taking away jobs from those of us who want to FLY FOR A LIVING instead of F'n around paying for a job. Get a clue about what you are doing.

Better yet, I am going to send you a bill, and you are going to sell my house. I will pocket all expenses occured by you. I expect this payment after each hour you devote any time to selling my house.

For the third time, the aircraft I'm flying DOES NOT REQUIRE AN FO" You are a real funny guy ha? First of all I bet you don't even have a house, probably still living with mom and dad or paying rent to somebody like me so quit talking crap.

 

[81Horse]

... I can log every bit of my time, I passed a Part 135 check ride ...

...For the third time, the aircraft I'm flying DOES NOT REQUIRE AN FO" ...

Which is it? A second-in-command is or is not required?

Eh. I don't care anymore.

Troy, where's the best place for ribs in your town? The spouse likes Interstate in Memphis; I've got fifteen bottles of their barbecue sauce at home, and I'm not that crazy about barbecue.

 

[fre8ersic]

I would disagree. Respectfully. SIC time is generally not impressive to anyone except those looking for someone for the right seat in a two pilot airplane. Then its only valuable if its fairly recent. Lately it seems that unless you have been to school in the last year no one cares either. SIC is an excellent way to learn your way around TStorms, ice, radar, and, the the quirks of the "system". with someone watching over your shoulder. Flight instruction done properly is quite a bit of work. Let the students go to learn, you have to keep it legal, the airplane, crew, passengers, safe and teach all at the same time. I have sent 47 to successful check rides and no two were alike. The school I taught at allowed training in IMC, gusty winds, even grass fields. Narrow runways, one comes to mind, no wider than a golf cart path. Multi-engine training is an event unto itself. With probably 30 hours of flying around with one engine feathered I can tell you some pilots shake so badly the airplane actually vibrates from the pilot induced turbulence. A captain I fly with says an Orangutan can fly a plane, that's the easy part. It's about the decisions you make. How you make them, and what you do when things start to go bad. Students will find very interesting things to do that you will not expect. Controllers will ask for even more interesting things.

When I have to make the hiring decision about who sits in the right seat all other things being equal the one with the instruction given, and multi-instruction given will have the advantage.

That same Captain said to me one time never fly for free. I took his advice and it seems to be working. I wish you the best, it is without doubt a challenging road to travel. My first day as an instructor was 9/11 so just finding students was a challenge.

You really need a "pilot" when the airplane breaks!

Another old salt of a pilot said "Are you going to be an airplane driver or a pilot?" "The difference", he said, "is pilots make decisions".

Yes, I agree with most of what you said. I will be in the right seat flying corporate (part 135) shortly which is another reason why I decided to get some time on the right seat since I'm not an instructor. Any of us, once you get your commercial, instrument and multiengine rating, can take fairly good decisions in the event of an emergency wich is another reason why I decided to do what I'm doing know, flying Part 135 in the right seat ( ONLY ONE PILOT REQUIRE) Will help me be better on decision making on whaterver the situation is Weather, emergencies etc. Respectfully, not everybody has to be an instructor to be a good pilot and to get a good paying job, yes you might have the advantage when it comes time for an interview but I know many that without being instructors have pretty good paying jobs and are excellent pilots. I think one of the reasons most become flight instructors is because they know someone that advised them to do that, usally another instructor off course, so they simply follow that lead. Good flying!!!

 

[fre8ersic]

Wait a second here.... If the plane you're flying REQUIRES one, then the operator MUST have someone in that seat. Right? So if nobody were willing to PAY to be in that seat (thereby allowing the operator to make money from you for paying for the "priviledge" of sitting there as well as make money from the freight that you're hauling), then they'd have to PAY someone to be there. So how exactly are you NOT taking someone's job, and how exactly are you NOT hurting this profession?



I don't know - makes PERFECT sense to ME! Ever hear of SARCASM???

I ment one pilot required.

 

[troy]

We don't have any good pits here in town, just Famous Dave's. It's fairly good, but nothing compaired to the real stuff.

fre8ersic, I think that you have a fetish for the "parents" thing. When you actually grow up and figure out what you want to do in life, come back and see us. Till then, go away. You don't like what you asked of the boards? What gives? If your precious PFT is so great, keep it to yourself. Don't ask anybody anymore.

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

 

[fre8ersic]

PFT is a way for the snobs of the world to get their way and to cut in line. Guess it's no different than anything else they do (taxes, buy their way out of jail, etc)

Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!

 

[troy]

I ment one pilot required.

Waffle

 

[ePilot22]

flying Part 135 in the right seat ( ONLY ONE PILOT REQUIRE)...I ment one pilot required...For the third time, the aircraft I'm flying DOES NOT REQUIRE AN FO

You can NOT log SIC time in a plane that only requires one pilot. (well really, you can log what ever you want, it'll just help your next employer realize how truely stupid you are!) Make sure and tell them you flew SIC on a single pilot aircraft.






eP.

 

[troy]

Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!

PAYCUT?????? You are PAYING someone to fly!!!

 

[fre8ersic]

We don't have any good pits here in town, just Famous Dave's. It's fairly good, but nothing compaired to the real stuff.

fre8ersic, I think that you have a fetish for the "parents" thing. When you actually grow up and figure out what you want to do in life, come back and see us. Till then, go away. You don't like what you asked of the boards? What gives? If your precious PFT is so great, keep it to yourself. Don't ask anybody anymore.

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

You're telling me to grow up, WHATEVER MAN ! I already accomplished what I wanted to do in life, flying is an extra. You need to quit insulting people and do some growing up. DON'T WRITE BACK.

 

[ePilot22]

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

HAHAHAHA...LMAO!!! :laugh:! He should have gone with fre8erPFTsic!

Quote:
Originally Posted by fre8ersic
Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!


PAYCUT?????? You are PAYING someone to fly!!!

See you don't even make sense. You say that we hurt the industry by taking low PAYING jobs, yet YOU are PAYING to work! You might want to review PART 61.51:

(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:

(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

D'oh! So keep telling us how MANY pilots are required on the aircraft you PFT'd.





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[fre8ersic]

You can NOT log SIC time in a plane that only requires one pilot. (well really, you can log what ever you want, it'll just help your next employer realize how truely stupid you are!) Make sure and tell them you flew SIC on a single pilot aircraft.






eP.

" I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER ANYBODY EXCEPT MY OWN CONFUSION" You are very confused. Read the regs.