sics paying for time

[CrimsonEclipse]

"Flight instructing helps develop interpersonal skills"


Inter-what what? You realise this IS a cargo section.
We don't need no personable skillz.

CE

 

[fre8ersic]

Like I said, I have 2 kids a 16 year old and a 6 year old, I'm self employed doing real eastate and I make pretty good money, that's what I ment when I said I can not afford a pay cut, I worked hard to get to where I am, my daddy did not pay for my schooling I worked and I paid for it myself. Why fly? because I love to fly and that is it.

 

[fre8ersic]

Yah that INLINE! I flown with a lot of flight instructors and to tell you the truth they don't inpress me much, once the student can solo instructors are just correcting and not stick flying the plane so really they are acting as an SIC as far as flying the plane hands on most of the time. With 600+ TT I have more twin time than single in real IMC weather dealing with all kinds of weather problems and situations (to me I'm getting better experience flying 135 than instructing, you know if it is bad or windy they don't go ,we go, you cargo pilots know what I'm talking about!) I see instructors come in for the PIC position and some times I can't belive the things they do, Why? Not enough hands on flying, out of 1700hr. TT or whatever not even half of that is hands on so out of my little 600+ TT 450+ is me flying. Sorry if I offended anyone I ment no disrespect but that's the way I feel.

 

[fre8ersic]

81HORSE

I don't think is worthless, like I said I'm getting real good experience flying 135 dealing with the real thing. Luckly the PICs let me fly most of the time, I'm proud to say that I fly with real nice PICs. For your info. You can't get paid as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

 

[imacdog]

81HORSE

I don't think is worthless, like I said I'm getting real good experience flying 135 dealing with the real thing. Luckly the PICs let me fly most of the time, I'm proud to say that I fly with real nice PICs. For your info. You can't get paid as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

Sure you can. Airnet does it, and I'm sure they aren't the only one. At your experience level, SIC time doesn't mean anything.

 

[Randy Clark]

Here goes........

Here is my scoop. I don't usually chime in to this stuff because it has been beat to death. Do what you feel you should do, nobody is going to care 5 years from now how you got 250 hours a long time ago. I did it way back when and it was great for me to fly in all types of weather and mountains with different approaches and some using lead in lights, gets kinda touchy!! For some people to just sit here and hate on this is crazy, you won't hate it if SWA come to you and say go get a 737 type so we can interview you, not a job just an interview. I am not an instructor nor did I ever want to be, I could not imagine some ham hand student trying to kill me everyday. I started late in life like you and it worked out just fine. PM me if you want more info.

 

[81Horse]

I don't think is worthless, like I said I'm getting real good experience flying 135 dealing with the real thing. Luckly the PICs let me fly most of the time, I'm proud to say that I fly with real nice PICs. For your info. You can't get paid as SIC on a plane that doesn't require 2 pilots.

For your info, you also cannot log SIC time on a plane that doesn't require two pilots; so, in fact, you are not building any time at all riding along on these freighter flights. There's another thread going right now on this very subject.

You've asked for advice -- and you're getting it from some pilots who are way, way farther along in their careers than you are. What you do with it is up to you. Just be aware that all this right-seat time you're getting -- while it may be a good learning experience for you -- is not going to be a resume-builder or time-builder.

Get a flying job, any kind of flying job, if you're serious about making a career out of this. 'Cause so far, you're not all that.

 

[PCL_128]

For your info, you also cannot log SIC time on a plane that doesn't require two pilots; so, in fact, you are not building any time at all riding along on these freighter flights.

That isn't entirely correct. If the company's Ops Specs require an SIC even on a single-pilot airplane, then the FAA considers it to be loggable SIC time.

 

[81Horse]

That isn't entirely correct. If the company's Ops Specs require an SIC even on a single-pilot airplane, then the FAA considers it to be loggable SIC time.

I agree -- as you say, if an SIC is legally required (by Ops Specs or FAR), the time would be loggable. Not clear if that is the case here; if it is, that pilot should be getting paid!

Someone mentioned this test in another thread: would the PIC be legal to operate the flight without you? If yes, you are not a required SIC. That said, there's nothing wrong with going along on a joyride (buy the guy breakfast, but don't pay for your time!); joyrides are a time-honored aviation tradition.

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[Photoflight]

I think you guys are missing the point. SIC at low TT is fairly worthless and can be made even more worthless depending on the type of airplane. Yes you can log SIC in a baron or whatever and if you can get on at a place like airnet that does this and then allows you to transition to a captains slot once you reach mins and all they while you get paid its a pretty sweet deal for a wet commercial/CFI.

However the difference is that its sounds like you wanna go buy 100 hours of multi time in something someplace possibly taking a real job from somebody. Also try taking that 100 hours of SIC time in a baron or whatever to another company and get a job and youll be laughed out of the place.