sics paying for time

[fre8ersic]

I would disagree. Respectfully. SIC time is generally not impressive to anyone except those looking for someone for the right seat in a two pilot airplane. Then its only valuable if its fairly recent. Lately it seems that unless you have been to school in the last year no one cares either. SIC is an excellent way to learn your way around TStorms, ice, radar, and, the the quirks of the "system". with someone watching over your shoulder. Flight instruction done properly is quite a bit of work. Let the students go to learn, you have to keep it legal, the airplane, crew, passengers, safe and teach all at the same time. I have sent 47 to successful check rides and no two were alike. The school I taught at allowed training in IMC, gusty winds, even grass fields. Narrow runways, one comes to mind, no wider than a golf cart path. Multi-engine training is an event unto itself. With probably 30 hours of flying around with one engine feathered I can tell you some pilots shake so badly the airplane actually vibrates from the pilot induced turbulence. A captain I fly with says an Orangutan can fly a plane, that's the easy part. It's about the decisions you make. How you make them, and what you do when things start to go bad. Students will find very interesting things to do that you will not expect. Controllers will ask for even more interesting things.

When I have to make the hiring decision about who sits in the right seat all other things being equal the one with the instruction given, and multi-instruction given will have the advantage.

That same Captain said to me one time never fly for free. I took his advice and it seems to be working. I wish you the best, it is without doubt a challenging road to travel. My first day as an instructor was 9/11 so just finding students was a challenge.

You really need a "pilot" when the airplane breaks!

Another old salt of a pilot said "Are you going to be an airplane driver or a pilot?" "The difference", he said, "is pilots make decisions".

Yes, I agree with most of what you said. I will be in the right seat flying corporate (part 135) shortly which is another reason why I decided to get some time on the right seat since I'm not an instructor. Any of us, once you get your commercial, instrument and multiengine rating, can take fairly good decisions in the event of an emergency wich is another reason why I decided to do what I'm doing know, flying Part 135 in the right seat ( ONLY ONE PILOT REQUIRE) Will help me be better on decision making on whaterver the situation is Weather, emergencies etc. Respectfully, not everybody has to be an instructor to be a good pilot and to get a good paying job, yes you might have the advantage when it comes time for an interview but I know many that without being instructors have pretty good paying jobs and are excellent pilots. I think one of the reasons most become flight instructors is because they know someone that advised them to do that, usally another instructor off course, so they simply follow that lead. Good flying!!!

 

[fre8ersic]

Wait a second here.... If the plane you're flying REQUIRES one, then the operator MUST have someone in that seat. Right? So if nobody were willing to PAY to be in that seat (thereby allowing the operator to make money from you for paying for the "priviledge" of sitting there as well as make money from the freight that you're hauling), then they'd have to PAY someone to be there. So how exactly are you NOT taking someone's job, and how exactly are you NOT hurting this profession?



I don't know - makes PERFECT sense to ME! Ever hear of SARCASM???

I ment one pilot required.

 

[troy]

We don't have any good pits here in town, just Famous Dave's. It's fairly good, but nothing compaired to the real stuff.

fre8ersic, I think that you have a fetish for the "parents" thing. When you actually grow up and figure out what you want to do in life, come back and see us. Till then, go away. You don't like what you asked of the boards? What gives? If your precious PFT is so great, keep it to yourself. Don't ask anybody anymore.

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

 

[fre8ersic]

PFT is a way for the snobs of the world to get their way and to cut in line. Guess it's no different than anything else they do (taxes, buy their way out of jail, etc)

Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!

 

[troy]

I ment one pilot required.

Waffle

 

[ePilot22]

flying Part 135 in the right seat ( ONLY ONE PILOT REQUIRE)...I ment one pilot required...For the third time, the aircraft I'm flying DOES NOT REQUIRE AN FO

You can NOT log SIC time in a plane that only requires one pilot. (well really, you can log what ever you want, it'll just help your next employer realize how truely stupid you are!) Make sure and tell them you flew SIC on a single pilot aircraft.






eP.

 

[troy]

Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!

PAYCUT?????? You are PAYING someone to fly!!!

 

[fre8ersic]

We don't have any good pits here in town, just Famous Dave's. It's fairly good, but nothing compaired to the real stuff.

fre8ersic, I think that you have a fetish for the "parents" thing. When you actually grow up and figure out what you want to do in life, come back and see us. Till then, go away. You don't like what you asked of the boards? What gives? If your precious PFT is so great, keep it to yourself. Don't ask anybody anymore.

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

You're telling me to grow up, WHATEVER MAN ! I already accomplished what I wanted to do in life, flying is an extra. You need to quit insulting people and do some growing up. DON'T WRITE BACK.

 

[ePilot22]

It must suck to have your handle as a permanent SIC

HAHAHAHA...LMAO!!! :laugh:! He should have gone with fre8erPFTsic!

Quote:
Originally Posted by fre8ersic
Sorry you feel that way. If I would be young, single with no family to support and with no money I will probably go for my CFIs. Why take a paycut now? When it comes to my wife and two kids I'm gonna do what is best for them period. Good flying!!


PAYCUT?????? You are PAYING someone to fly!!!

See you don't even make sense. You say that we hurt the industry by taking low PAYING jobs, yet YOU are PAYING to work! You might want to review PART 61.51:

(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:

(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

D'oh! So keep telling us how MANY pilots are required on the aircraft you PFT'd.





eP.

 

[fre8ersic]

You can NOT log SIC time in a plane that only requires one pilot. (well really, you can log what ever you want, it'll just help your next employer realize how truely stupid you are!) Make sure and tell them you flew SIC on a single pilot aircraft.






eP.

" I HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER ANYBODY EXCEPT MY OWN CONFUSION" You are very confused. Read the regs.