sics paying for time

[troy]

Whatever, you win. I guess the best thing is to PFT everything, even doctors. "Mr. Sic, this is our new associate, Mr. MoneyBags. He will be performing your surgery today. You see, he just droped $100K so that he could bypass his residency." Sucker!

No matter what you tell a ROCK to do, it will still sit there and be a rock.
I'm going to quit talking to rocks.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

If you have taken a 135 checkride, and the company want's two pilots on an aircraft. All of that time can be logged as SIC reguardless of what it is certified for.

I think that time looks better than 600 of duel in a 172. How many times have you flown with a new FO who had no clue how the IFR system works in the real word? How does teaching slow flight, or even primary instrument students help someone make solid choices when it comes to Ice, T-storms, and any other situation impossible to recreate in a 172. Plus if you fly any legs empty/part 91, any time that you are flying, you can log it as PIC.

However you should get paid.. 100-200 a day is average I think.

 

[troy]

on second hand, nevermind, post deleted

 

[Photoflight]

PFTSIC: Your not the brightest crayon in the box are yah?


Oh yah...heres some quick facts for everyone

Chuck Norris does not get frostbite. Chuck Norris bites frost
Remember the Soviet Union? They decided to quit after watching a DeltaForce marathon on Satellite TV.
Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.

 

[ePilot22]

Here's one I heard the other day...

Chuck Norris can divide by 0.


http://chucknorrisfacts.com/




eP.

 

[81Horse]

"Here's your coffee, Mr. Norris. Is it too strong for you?"

"There is no such thing as strong coffee, m'am -- there are only weak people."

 

[Photoflight]

When J. Robert Oppenheimer said "I am become death, the destroyer Of worlds", He was not referring to the atomic bomb. He was referring to the Chuck Norris halloween costume he was wearing.

 

[Metro752]

awesome Norris jokes

 

[414Flyer]

HAHAHAHA...LMAO!!! :laugh:! He should have gone with fre8erPFTsic!



See you don't even make sense. You say that we hurt the industry by taking low PAYING jobs, yet YOU are PAYING to work! You might want to review PART 61.51:

(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:

(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

D'oh! So keep telling us how MANY pilots are required on the aircraft you PFT'd.
eP.

You are quoting part 61, when the issue is Part 135 operations.
There are ways when the Operation can require or is permitted to use an SIC.

Its been explained many a time on here.

 

[ePilot22]

There are ways when the Operation can require or is permitted to use an SIC.

Which is the catch 22 here...

If the SIC is required or permitted, then a qualified pilot should be in the right seat.

If the SIC is not required or permitted and the SIC pilot is PFT, then they're wasting their money and logging bogus time.

Either way it's a lose-lose situation.

You are quoting part 61, when the issue is Part 135 operations.

Yes I am, but re-read part 61...

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

So part 61 makes exceptions for other parts.

(Chuck Norris is always a required crew member, if not he'll roundhouse kick the FARs until it says he is. .)




eP.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

FAR 135.101 No person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft...

The next section goes on to talk about an autopilot being able to be used in lieu of an SIC... But the point is... If the autopilot is inop or the plane doesn't have one... Then reguardless of the aircraft, you need and SIC. Even with an autopilot the company can require an SIC on some or all flights and as long as the guy in the right seat has met the requirements, and taken a checkride all of that time is legitimate loggable time.

 

[81Horse]

Bushhatesme, you don't know your FARs very well; there's a distinction between freight and pax. As far as company requirements -- if it's in their ops specs, then that would be regulatory. Otherwise, no.

Q: When is a second-in-command required on a mutli-engine turbine aircraft engaged in carrying freight under FAR Part 135?

A: When Chuck Norris farkin' says so.

 

[414Flyer]

Well you may think it is bogus, but there are completely legal ways for IFR 135 to have PIC and SIC in a single pilot certificated aircraft.

135.101 Second in command required under IFR.

Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.
[Doc. No. 28743, 62 FR 42374, Aug. 6, 1997]
§135.103 [Reserved]

§135.105 Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in §§135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation, as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.
(b) The certificate holder may apply for an amendment of its operations specifications to authorize the use of an autopilot system in place of a second in command.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if—
(1) The autopilot is capable of operating the aircraft controls to maintain flight and maneuver it about the three axes; and
(2) The certificate holder shows, to the satisfaction of the Administrator, that operations using the autopilot system can be conducted safely and in compliance with this part.

 

[ePilot22]

A: When Chuck Norris farkin' says so.

Yeah, don't f**k with Chuck!!! :uzi:

Well you may think it is bogus, but there are completely legal ways for IFR 135 to have PIC and SIC in a single pilot certificated aircraft.

Ok, the point has been lost here.

PFT is WRONG! That's all there is to it. Who cares about logging time, required crew members (unless it's Chuck, of course!), freight or pax.

Buying a job is hurting the industry. There's no arguement there. NONE. Except for the one dil on page 2 that said he did it and no one will know in five years, everybody else is in agreement the you DON'T buy a job. GIA or Key Slime and every company in between. Paying for SIC time should be frowned upon and people that do it should be treated in a manner fitting of their uke: actions.

</rant>

Now back to Chuck Norris...




eP.

 

[81Horse]

Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers ...

We're talking about FREIGHT, 414. Chuck Norris is gonna send you boys back for some remedial FARs training.

Q: What does Chuck Norris do when a discussion thread has totally run its course, and is of no further use or interest?

A: He mounts up and rides into the sunset. And there's music ...

 

[ePilot22]

Q: What does Chuck Norris do when a discussion thread has totally run its course, and is of no further use or interest?

A:He roundhouse kicks the interest back into the thread!

--------

Chuck Norris has never had a thread hijacked.







eP.

 

[fre8ersic]

Whatever, you win. I guess the best thing is to PFT everything, even doctors. "Mr. Sic, this is our new associate, Mr. MoneyBags. He will be performing your surgery today. You see, he just droped $100K so that he could bypass his residency." Sucker!

No matter what you tell a ROCK to do, it will still sit there and be a rock.
I'm going to quit talking to rocks.

$100K, Try $5K for 500Hrs. Not bad ha!!

 

[fre8ersic]

Whatever, you win. I guess the best thing is to PFT everything, even doctors. "Mr. Sic, this is our new associate, Mr. MoneyBags. He will be performing your surgery today. You see, he just droped $100K so that he could bypass his residency." Sucker!

No matter what you tell a ROCK to do, it will still sit there and be a rock.
I'm going to quit talking to rocks.

Only Embry Riddle SICs pay $150k for their whole education and SIC time.

 

[dillfer]

The plane I'm flying requires one, read and understand what I wrote!! I can log every bit of my time, I passed a Part 135 check ride just like the PICs on the plane I'm flying. Like I said before I am not taking anybody's job so you and your "wife" are the drag in the proffession by taking the low paying jobs, I can tell you are not very happy with your job wishing for better pay but you did it to yourself that's the diffrence between you and I, I'm not gonna make the mistakes you old timers made, that's why I'm not doing it the old schools way.
Passing on real estate is the dumbest thing I ever heard. I can buy a nice twin, paid off, if I want, but why? I can get it done cheaper, my job is there just waiting for me. If you and your wife ever are out of a job you are gonna wish you would be doing real estate, if you do it right, it will give you plenty of money and lots of free time.
" WE COULD ALWAYS START HAVING OUR FOs PAY US FOR LETTING THEM RIDE ALONG" http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon21.gif Sound like you require to have FOs, and you are making it sound like you own the business, either way you make no sense.
No hard feelings. GOOD FLYING!!!!!

You ought to learn to respect your elders. Not just the guys older than you in aviation but the guys that have more time than you, which judging from your time is probably just about everybody here. I'm not really dissing on your time everybody has to start somewhere, but you sure have a big mouth and don't seem real sharp.
If you have enough money to go buy a twin, you should do it. If you find a decent deal on one you could fly it for a year, probably get better experience than sitting on your hands in the right seat, and sell it for what you paid for it. Maybe even make a little. You'd think that a real estate mogul like yourself would have thought of that.
One more thing. I have more respect for a flight instructor living at home with his parents because he cant afford anything else than I ever would for a PFT knowitall.
PFT is bad.
Just my opinion though which is what you asked for.

 

[fre8ersic]

You ought to learn to respect your elders. Not just the guys older than you in aviation but the guys that have more time than you, which judging from your time is probably just about everybody here. I'm not really dissing on your time everybody has to start somewhere, but you sure have a big mouth and don't seem real sharp.
If you have enough money to go buy a twin, you should do it. If you find a decent deal on one you could fly it for a year, probably get better experience than sitting on your hands in the right seat, and sell it for what you paid for it. Maybe even make a little. You'd think that a real estate mogul like yourself would have thought of that.
One more thing. I have more respect for a flight instructor living at home with his parents because he cant afford anything else than I ever would for a PFT knowitall.
PFT is bad.
Just my opinion though which is what you asked for.

Maybe even make a little.., I thought about it, If I was to put 700hrs. on a twin there's no way you can make any money when you sell unless you put some money back into the plane and if I was to account for maintenance and inspections you would be lucky to break even, The thing to do here is to have it as a write off for my business and as a loss(when I sell) in order to come ahead, "you need to learn how to make money if you are going to talk about it" I also have no respect for people that insult other people, older than me or not.
I have more respect for a flight instructor....

Nobody cares who you have respect for.

I'm not a PFT knowitall, I learn something new every day. If you think you know it all just because you have high TT well I guess that's about all the pilot you are going to be. No hard feelings. GOOD FLYING!!