bafanguy
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kingairrick,
Good post...good points. Hard to tell from here, but maybe the company or pilots at the new company didn't really understand CRM, and YOU did. When they saw it in action, they misinterpreted from lack of understanding. And since it was their party, they got to send out the invitations. Hard to say.
As I said in my earlier post, it's difficult to imagine a more difficult job, in the routine scheme of ops, than being a copilot...CRM or no CRM. Like many other people, I've got a bit more FO time on my resume than I would've wanted and it was all before the industry could even spell CRM. Add a lack of standardization to that and you've got a tough day for the copilot. And I was flying with pretty good guys. You can't tell me too many copilot stories I can't match, up to and including taking the airplane away from the captain. I FEEL your pain.
All I can say is that, CRM not withstanding, sometimes it's not WHAT one says, but HOW one says it; how it plays in the personalities game, as you said. Even if a guy rubbed me the wrong way, I was hard pressed to get mad at a FO who was obviously trying to do the right thing. If he caught ME screwing up, guess who I had to be irked at !!
It was always a mystery to me why a FO would come out and, right off the bat, be wildly non-standard. This left me no choice but to pound the square peg into the round hole...no fun for either of us. SOP's, FAR's, AIM, company policies, etc., are the best friend a copilot ever had. Do them ( this requires book work...) until El Magnifico says not to. If he wants something different, you won't feel picked-on...you were just caught doing your job. How upset can you be about that ?
This is an interesting and very important subject. I'm sure lots of guys can shed more light on it.
Good post...good points. Hard to tell from here, but maybe the company or pilots at the new company didn't really understand CRM, and YOU did. When they saw it in action, they misinterpreted from lack of understanding. And since it was their party, they got to send out the invitations. Hard to say.
As I said in my earlier post, it's difficult to imagine a more difficult job, in the routine scheme of ops, than being a copilot...CRM or no CRM. Like many other people, I've got a bit more FO time on my resume than I would've wanted and it was all before the industry could even spell CRM. Add a lack of standardization to that and you've got a tough day for the copilot. And I was flying with pretty good guys. You can't tell me too many copilot stories I can't match, up to and including taking the airplane away from the captain. I FEEL your pain.
All I can say is that, CRM not withstanding, sometimes it's not WHAT one says, but HOW one says it; how it plays in the personalities game, as you said. Even if a guy rubbed me the wrong way, I was hard pressed to get mad at a FO who was obviously trying to do the right thing. If he caught ME screwing up, guess who I had to be irked at !!
It was always a mystery to me why a FO would come out and, right off the bat, be wildly non-standard. This left me no choice but to pound the square peg into the round hole...no fun for either of us. SOP's, FAR's, AIM, company policies, etc., are the best friend a copilot ever had. Do them ( this requires book work...) until El Magnifico says not to. If he wants something different, you won't feel picked-on...you were just caught doing your job. How upset can you be about that ?
This is an interesting and very important subject. I'm sure lots of guys can shed more light on it.
